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The departure or "exodus" (to quote every news writer in the SH) of many Union stars (and league stars for that matter) from the Southern powerhouses to Europe has stirred many a debate recently, especially in light of the temporary move by Daniel Carter to Perpignan. The reasons cited by most players to justify such a move are usually one, or a combination of: "Change in lifestyle", "Change in scenery", "Change in culture" or "Change in preferred underwear modelling company". Whatever the randomly chosen excuse for the papers, one factor remains constant in all cases; the draw of cold, hard European currency.

There wasn't a mass migration of talent 20 years ago in the heyday of non-professionalism. Nay, loyalty and pride in ones club/province and nation seemingly meant much more. The advent of professionalism in the game of Rugby Union in 1995 spelled the end of a 100 year era in the game. Professionalism would bring a price to one's loyalty, just as it did in the sports of football/soccer, basketball etc. Now, don't be under the impression that I’m some kind of neo-colonialist who hearkens back to the "good ole days" when things were apparently "better". I recognise that professionalism has brought many great changes to the sport of Rugby and I can’t imagine the sport without the advances that professionalism has allowed in the game. Yet still, I feel that a player's loyalty should have no price tag and that a club/region should do the best with its own god-given talent, not its neighbours. It should be a club's right and privilege to make use of the players it develops. I'm not saying players can't choose where they live or ply their trade, but I do believe an attempt should be made to foster within the game of Rugby, an ethos based upon moral principles such as loyalty and faith in one's club.
I feel strongly that if a nation or club cannot develop players to a reasonably competitive standard, they don't deserve to buy the skills and class provided by players from teams with less robust bank balances. The whoring of players to the NH clubs is, I believe, an abomination and an insult to the game of rugby. I do however recognise that this predicament is not any single group or person's fault, but rather a fault of the system of professionalism itself.
Such is the way of professional sport.

The game I and so many others love and cherish is being turned into the sick and pathetic "sport" that football has become. "Absolute power corrupts absolute". The same can be said about money.

Loyalty was what separated rugby from soccer for 100 years and made it such a noble and dare I say, honourable sport. It is in these truly troubling times that you have to ask yourself, "Do I really enjoy watching my team now as much as when money was less of an issue?"
 
Here we go.

Players stick around in the SH (specifically Aus and NZ) because you can only play for your country if you're contracted. However, there's a twist... Nobody appears any longer, despite the false bravado, to care about winning anything except the World Cup. It's still 2 1/2 years until the next world cup, so there's plenty of time to wait. Let's use Carter as a good example; If a club offers a top player top dollar to ply his trade in that time between, anyone who criticises what will basically fund his retirement is nowt more then a jellous c***. He'll be back before 2001, as will McAlister, Hayman and the rest.

But as Michelak showed this year, it works both ways.

International rugby is no longer the be all and end all of rugby. The sooner the old farts remove their heads from their arseholes and realise this, the better.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Teh Mite @ Dec 27 2008, 02:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
Here we go.

Players stick around in the SH (specifically Aus and NZ) because you can only play for your country if you're contracted. However, there's a twist... Nobody appears any longer, despite the false bravado, to care about winning anything except the World Cup. It's still 2 1/2 years until the next world cup, so there's plenty of time to wait. Let's use Carter as a good example; If a club offers a top player top dollar to ply his trade in that time between, anyone who criticises what will basically fund his retirement is nowt more then a jellous c***. He'll be back before 2001, as will McAlister, Hayman and the rest.

But as Michelak showed this year, it works both ways.

International rugby is no longer the be all and end all of rugby. The sooner the old farts remove their heads from their arseholes and realise this, the better.[/b]

I didn't know that the All Blacks could reverse time :lol: .

Rugby is a professional sport and if a player decides to go overseas or to another country it is their decision.Same goes in business,my uncle emigrated to Australia because the work oppertunity was much better there then here in SA.

Some players will just go because of the money but other and I feel the majority, goes because they want to learn other rugby cultures and learn new skills and get use to new playing conditions.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Teh Mite @ Dec 27 2008, 02:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
Here we go.

Players stick around in the SH (specifically Aus and NZ) because you can only play for your country if you're contracted. However, there's a twist... Nobody appears any longer, despite the false bravado, to care about winning anything except the World Cup. It's still 2 1/2 years until the next world cup, so there's plenty of time to wait. Let's use Carter as a good example; If a club offers a top player top dollar to ply his trade in that time between, anyone who criticises what will basically fund his retirement is nowt more then a jellous c***. He'll be back before 2001, as will McAlister, Hayman and the rest.

But as Michelak showed this year, it works both ways.

International rugby is no longer the be all and end all of rugby. The sooner the old farts remove their heads from their arseholes and realise this, the better.[/b]
Nice. Call people who would like to see their domestic teams stay strong jealous c***s. What the hell is wrong with wanting that?
Let me guess... You're of the people who doesn't like the ELVs and who doesn't like proposal of franchises for English rugby, so when the 'old farts' want to evolve the game in a way you don't like you call them c***s as well.
 
Yeah, because they want to do it in a way that'll killl the domestic game while using the clubs as an excuse for their own failings.
 
Oh but haven't you heard? Rugby is a proffesional sport now. Tradition gets thrown out the window and we all have to start making sacrifices, and if you disagree you're a c*** or so I'm told.
 
What? :blink: If I had a medal for completely missing the original point I'd have it in the post to you.

What I said is <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div>
anyone who criticises what will basically fund his retirement is nowt more then a jellous c***.[/b]

Now, if a player is offered a huge payoff for what he does in a different league, how can that be considered a "Bad move" for him? Rugby isn't football, the players aren't multi billionairres and there aren't many other sports where every game you play is very likely to be your last (for example, playing against Butch James and his interpritation of "below the shoulders" will often result in decapitation), to criticise a player for capitalising on his talents and making what he can for his own future smacks of jellousy and throwing toys out the pram. As you so nicely pointed out, we live in an era of professionalism. Professionalism means Business... These clubs are in the business of winning AND making money. Big names can both produce sucess and draw crowds, which in turn brings in revinue.

If there are good enough players out there, they'll pay for them. If the SH unions/franchises don't want to loose these players, maybe they should pay them more. If they can't afford to pay them more, tough ****.

Or, in this fantasy cloud your analysis is apparently in, should Microsoft be penalised because Apple will never be able to compete with them financially?
 
Thing is Mite sport shouldn't be about money. I've seen you rave on about the RFU many a time, expressing your disgust for their greedy ways. How their loyality only is very much one sided.
But you'll sit comfy in their system as long as your team gets a Kiwi fullback or Saffa lock out of it. Would let the Saints be sacrificed in the name of professionalism? In the name of business? Double standards I think!

What is wrong with a New Zealander wanting to see the best New Zealanders playing in New Zealand?!
 
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Players stick around in the SH (specifically Aus and NZ) because you can only play for your country if you're contracted. However, there's a twist... Nobody appears any longer, despite the false bravado, to care about winning anything except the World Cup. It's still 2 1/2 years until the next world cup, so there's plenty of time to wait. Let's use Carter as a good example; If a club offers a top player top dollar to ply his trade in that time between, anyone who criticises what will basically fund his retirement is nowt more then a jellous c***. He'll be back before 2001, as will McAlister, Hayman and the rest.

But as Michelak showed this year, it works both ways.

International rugby is no longer the be all and end all of rugby. The sooner the old farts remove their heads from their arseholes and realise this, the better.[/b]

I don't agree about the world cup being the prime focus for all teams. The AB's and the NZ public in general have, since their defeat in Cardiff, started to cherish and appreciate other tests much more. This years Trinations was one of the most exciting (despite the idiocy of PDV) I have ever watched, despite the Springboks failing miserably in many games.

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anyone who criticises what will basically fund his retirement is nowt more then a jellous c***.[/b]

Calling me or any others a cu*t for something they ddn't say or imply makes you the c***. Just becasue you hold club rugby to be the epitomy of the sport doesn't mean everyone else does! I blamed the system for what I see as the bribery of the SH best talent. I never criticised any clubs or players and I never will.

Essentially, I think you missed the point of my post. I wanted to convey that, in an ideal situation, there should be more loyalty to one's home club and nation, and that the imbalances in purchasing power between franchises/clubs in the NH and SH is allowing the rape and pillage of our best talent. I simply feel that if a club can't produce its own talented players, then such clubs can f*** off, and have no right to take players and deprive us of great entertainment. Obviously this is a bitter reality of the system of professionalism, but I believe it just isn't right. Can you honestly say you wouldn't be peed off if your teams best buggered off to the richest SH teams?

Financial security for players is great! But I simply argue that professionalism is ruining the poorer franchises down here and debasing our competitions.

For the record though, Michalak wanted to play at the Sharks and was willing to take a pay cut to play against better teams. It seems he had purely his rugby development in mind. Can the same be said for the many that have gone Northwards?
 
Again, the finger should be pointed at the players who travel to play in the Northern Hemisphere. It is they who make the final decision, they who sign their life away for a season or two, they who take the money and they who shake hands on the deal. We're not going down there and abducting players and forcing them against their will to play. This is business, they are employees working for a private enterprise and are as such protected by EU work law as befits someone with either residential status or of European citizenship.

This is a result of professionalism. The SH Unions made their bed by throwing their backing behind dumping Amateurism in 1996, they have made their choice seemingly forgetting that by formally recognising the right of clubs and unions to employ players they are in effect leaving the sporting world behind and are entering the messy world of business, employment law and of complying with legislation.

Again, the SH Unions have made their bed and they should recognise that one cannot have their cake and eat it. In this case it may be best to direct your anger at your South African players and at SARU for so eagerly making the dash to professionalism in the first place.

The bottom line is that Rugby is finding it hard to find a place in this world. It is growing but only at the price of greater commercialisation of the game which is sadly unavoidable. The game cannot both grow and ringfence its most core ideals at the same time, that is a fact. What the Clubs want is for people to recognise this fact. They don't seek to eliminate Unions or to burn down the central rugby values which we all hold dear. They simply want a role in Rugby which they deserve. They want to work with Unions and not fight them as they see that harmony with a system in balance is the perfect environment for making money in.

Sadly the SH Unions are out of step with the times, with progress and with the future. Even the RFU are starting to work more closely with the Clubs. Seriously. It seems that they have found that they share more in common than they realised.
 
Yes, I agree with you on most points and have already acknowledged the benefits and indeed necessity of professionalism in Rugby. I don't think it's entirely wrong for the player's to choose money over tradition, even though deep down I wish loyalty to club and country was seen as more important.

I suppose I'm really just lamenting the loss of so much talent from our shores in the pursuit of money and little else.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Steve-o @ Dec 27 2008, 09:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
Thing is Mite sport shouldn't be about money. I've seen you rave on about the RFU many a time, expressing your disgust for their greedy ways. How their loyality only is very much one sided.[/b]


You're right, it shouldn't. Sadly however, it is.

And this is a completely different issue to how the RFU rip the fans off... They ditch the interests of the common fan in favour for corperate hospitality. That's why it nigh on impossible to get a ticket to see England these days and the Twickenham Atmosphere is always shithouse. Nobody there cares about the sport, but "it's a day out".
 
I'll get hived off in to my own sad, lonely thread for this ...

Some NH clubs are going to go bust. And anyone playing for a UK club getting paid in sterling is spitting tacks at the moment.

They'll all go home in good time. Don't worry. Except ... all your currencies are cliff diving as well.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Teh Mite @ Dec 28 2008, 02:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
That's why it nigh on impossible to get a ticket to see England these days and the Twickenham Atmosphere is always shithouse. Nobody there cares about the sport, but "it's a day out".[/b]

Thats changing though. Thanks to the downturn and recession, the RFU had an unprecedented number of extra tickets dumped on them by the corporate caviar brigade who didn't want the Corporate Hospitality packages. Thus, for the England vs New Zealand game that I went to last month, the stadium was rammed with actual rugby fans and the atmosphere was absolutely electric.
 
Got it!
If you want affordable tickets you must wait for a flawed system to eat itself every 20 years.
2030 here we come!

Seriously though, the ticket situation is very similar to the SH exodus. It's becoming too centralized! It's not good for rugby.
 

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