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This happens on Tuesday! Ospreys' website gives a pretty thorough explanation of the (rather convoluted) process:

http://www.ospreysrugby.com/News/Article/34694

The 2014/15 season will herald the inaugural European Rugby Champions Cup run by the newly-constituted tournament organiser European Professional Club Rugby (EPCR).The Pool Draw for the 20 clubs which have qualified on merit for the European Rugby Champions Cup from the Aviva Premiership, the Top 14 and the Pro12 is a vital component of the preparatory work which is already underway in advance of the new season.
The Pool Draw for the 2014/15 European Rugby Champions Cup will take place in Neuchatel, Switzerland on Tuesday, 10th June at 12.30 (UK and Irish time) following the draw for the European Rugby Challenge Cup.
The draws will be broadcast live on BTsport.com, Sky Sports News, TG4 and Infosport +, and streamed live on epcrugby.com.
The key principles and key steps integral to the Pool Draw are explained below.

Key principles


  • The 20 clubs which have qualified on merit from the Aviva Premiership, Top 14 and Pro12 Leagues will compete in the 2014/15 European Rugby Champions Cup in five pools of four.
  • The clubs are divided into four tiers based on their qualification position from their leagues. This will be done where necessary by a draw.
  • Each pool will have at least one club from each of the three Leagues.

  • Each of the five pools will have one club from each of the four tiers.
  • There will be no more than two clubs from the same League in a pool.
  • No pool will contain two Pro12 clubs from the same country.

  • Clubs from the same League will be kept apart until the allocation of the Tier 4 clubs.
European Rugby Champions Cup qualification

For the purposes of creating the tiers, the Aviva Premiership clubs are ranked based on their League table finishing positions in advance of the knockout phase. The Top 14 and Pro12 clubs are ranked based on their League performances and on their qualification for the knockout phases. For clubs which did not qualify for the knockout phases of their Leagues, or which were eliminated at the same stage of the knockout phase, rankings are decided by League table finishing positions.

Rank Aviva Premiership Top 14 Pro12
1 Saracens RC Toulon Leinster Rugby
2 Northampton Saints Castres Olympique Glasgow Warriors
3 Leicester Tigers Montpellier Munster Rugby
4 Harlequins Racing Metro 92 Ulster Rugby
5 Bath Rugby ASM Clermont Auvergne Ospreys
6 Sale Sharks Toulouse Scarlets
7 London Wasps Benetton Treviso


Tier 1

Tier 1 will include the three number one ranked clubs from the Aviva Premiership, the Top 14 and the Pro12.

Tier 1 will also include two of the three clubs which are ranked second from the Aviva Premiership, the Top 14 and the Pro12 Leagues. The two clubs will be decided by a draw.

Tier 2

Tier 2 will include the three clubs which are ranked third from the Aviva Premiership, the Top 14 and the Pro12. (Aviva Premiership: Leicester Tigers; Top 14: Montpellier; Pro12: Munster Rugby).

Tier 2 will also include the runner-up club which was not drawn into Tier 1, and the club which is ranked fourthfrom the same League as the club which was not drawn into Tier 1.

Tier 3


Tier 3 will include the two clubs ranked fourth which are not in Tier 2. (If Aviva Premiership: Harlequins; If Top 14: Racing Metro 92; If Pro12: Ulster Rugby).

Tier 3 will also include the three clubs which are ranked fifth from each League. (Aviva Premiership: Bath Rugby; Top 14: ASM Clermont Auvergne; Pro12: Ospreys).


Tier 4


Tier 4 will include the three clubs which are ranked sixth in the Leagues.


Tier 4 will also include the Italian qualifier (7th ranked club from the Pro12) and the play-off qualifier.


How the draw works


Upon direction from the MCs, one person will draw the club balls and another person will draw the pool balls.


Step 1


At this point, only the Tier 4 clubs are confirmed. A draw has to be made to establish the five Tier 1 clubs, and once Tier 1 is confirmed, Tiers 2 and 3 fall into place as per the key principles above.

The draw now takes place to determine which two clubs from the three clubs ranked number two in the Leagues – ie. Northampton Saints, Castres Olympique and Glasgow Warriors – will join Saracens, RC Toulon and Leinster Rugby in Tier 1.
The Northampton, Castres and Glasgow balls are placed in the bowl, and two clubs are then drawn into Tier 1.

Tier 1 clubs
Saracens
RC Toulon
Leinster Rugby
XXXXXXXX
XXXXXXXX


Step 2

Once the Tier 1 clubs are established, the five Tier 2 clubs can be confirmed as follows: the three third-ranked clubs in the domestic championships – Leicester Tigers, Montpellier and Munster Rugby – will be joined byXXXXX who were not drawn into Tier 1, and by XXXXXXX who are the fourth-ranked club from the XXXXXXX

Tier 2 clubs

Leicester Tigers
Montpellier
Munster Rugby
XXXXXXXX
XXXXXXXX


Step 3

Once the Tier 2 clubs are established, the five Tier 3 clubs can be confirmed as follows: the two remaining fourth-ranked clubs, XXXXXXXX and XXXXXXXX, and the three fifth-ranked clubs, Bath Rugby, ASM Clermont Auvergne and Ospreys.

Tier 3 clubs

XXXXXXXX
XXXXXXXX

Bath Rugby
ASM Clermont Auvergne
Ospreys


The clubs in Tier 4 are already confirmed as follows:


Tier 4 clubs

Sale Sharks
Toulouse
Scarlets
Benetton Treviso
London Wasps

Step 4
Each of the five Tier 1 clubs are drawn, followed by a pool number for that club.

Step 5

Draw for the five Tier 2 clubs.
As each club ball is selected, a draw is then made to allocate the club a pool from the available pools based on the key principles above. Some clubs may have to be placed directly into a pool in order to ensure the key principles apply.

Step 6

Draw for the five Tier 3 clubs.
Again, as each club ball is selected, a draw is then made to allocate the club a pool from the available pools based on the key principles above. Some clubs may have to be placed directly into a pool in order to ensure the key principles apply.


Step 7
In Tier 4, the two Pro12 clubs, Scarlets and Benetton Treviso, are drawn first. As per the key principles, Scarlets cannot be drawn into the same pool as Ospreys.
The three remaining clubs are then drawn into pools. Sale Sharks and London Wasps will be drawn into pools which contain one other Aviva Premiership club, and Toulouse will be drawn into a pool which contains one other Top 14 club.
 
Nice and simple then !!!
Group of death to picked
Sarries/Saints
Munster
Clermont
Toulouse
 
I'll say this for the new format, there aren't going to be many easy/predictable groups. From a Leinster perspective, the best we could hope for would probably be:

Leinster
Montpellier
Bath
Treviso

Even there, you could easily drop points to Montpellier or Bath.
 
That group would do me fine, just swap Leinster for Munster as Leinster has already been done but still await a visit to Munster, is the Guinness better in Leinster or Munster???? BUT I BELIEVE THE OYSTERS ARE GOOD IN MUNSTER!!!!!!!
 
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SO THE POULES ARE European Champions Cup........

1 Saracens, Munster, Clermont, Sale.

2 Leinster, Castres, Harlequins, London Wasps.

3 Toulon, Leicester, Ulster, Llanelli.

4 Glasgow, Montpellier, Bath, Toulouse.

5 Nothampton, Racing Metro, Ospreys, Trevise..................

could be fun, shame we did not get Munster!!!!
 
Wow, tough but exciting group for Glasgow. I've been meaning to organise a wee trip to Bath for a while, and now I have the perfect excuse.
 
Gaston come visit my friend I will host you as guest of honor. Happy enough with our group. Was never going to be easy but could've been worst
 
There are no easy groups; group 5 probably the best group to get.

Bearing in mind we're bottom seeds, that draw could be much worse for Wasps.

Winnable home games, all of them
 
Feel sorry for Ulster as effectively this is a rebound of injury crisis. It effects them into the following season
 
Gaston come visit my friend I will host you as guest of honor. Happy enough with our group. Was never going to be easy but could've been worst

Thanks for the invite but it will happen one day, could have swapped Toulouse ( go there every season) for Munster and then it would have been perfekkt..... but at least i will get my oysters in La Rochelle, as they are now in the TOP 14 next season,
once again thanks you are a true gentleman "Mon Le Muffin de Munster" if you get the chance Clermont is a terrific away weekend, even have Guiness!!!!!!!!
 
The top seed from last year gets drawn in tier 3.. behind the team we beat twice in the pool stages. Nice one. I've 100% confidence we'll beat Toulon and Leicester at home, hopefully try and sneak an away win against Leicester again..

Northampton have gotten an absolute gift.
 
Glasgow, Montpellier, Bath, Toulouse.

Glasgow has some beautiful night life (watch out for the handshakes) but no oysters, you have been to Bath and Toulouse so not a great draw for you my friend other than you should qualify with ease!!!
 
The top seed from last year gets drawn in tier 3.. behind the team we beat twice in the pool stages. Nice one. I've 100% confidence we'll beat Toulon and Leicester at home, hopefully try and sneak an away win against Leicester again..

Northampton have gotten an absolute gift.

see I more confident of Leicester beating Ulster Home and Away (hopefully we have a full squad) looking at both teams current transfer list and current squads.
 
I highly doubt you'll beat us both ways.. just my opinion though, our young players are just getting better each season with the likes of Trimble finding form out of nowhere.

edit: in fact, out of interest, can you post what the best match 23 you think will be for the Tigers next season? Haven't seen their transfers.
 
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Glasgow has some beautiful night life (watch out for the handshakes) but no oysters, you have been to Bath and Toulouse so not a great draw for you my friend other than you should qualify with ease!!!

This very true but i have found a great little trip to Mallaig from Glasgow on an old steam train was in the Telegraph, quoted as one of the best train rides in the World and the Telegraph tells no porkies, will do for Mme's birthday its a big one this year of course you have guessed she is 30!!!!!!!x2 I also think it goes through the Malt country so i may be able to add to my collection of fine malts!!!!!!!!!! Toulouse is rubbish wanted Munster but Bath is good as both daughters live there. cheap accomadation what!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Leinster have come off well enough considering the groups. Said in the other thread, Saints have a **** weak pool in comparison to 1 and 3.
 
thats the way the cookie crumbles sometimes some lucky others well !!!!
Pools 1, 3, who comes out top, those are tough pools with tough games home and away, Toulon have to be favourites but pool 1 it will not be Sale !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Thanks for the invite but it will happen one day, could have swapped Toulouse ( go there every season) for Munster and then it would have been perfekkt..... but at least i will get my oysters in La Rochelle, as they are now in the TOP 14 next season,
once again thanks you are a true gentleman "Mon Le Muffin de Munster" if you get the chance Clermont is a terrific away weekend, even have Guiness!!!!!!!!

Oh I will be in Clermont but well don't know about staying there. It's boring enough. Maybe we will meet in QFs.
 

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