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<blockquote data-quote="Groundhog" data-source="post: 1036494" data-attributes="member: 50079"><p>I would agree the issue on Saturday and for provinces going forward was a mixture with your first three points, but mostly want to address the quoted text.</p><p></p><p>Haven't heard these rumors anywhere, but should a player like Carbery sit on his thumbs waiting for Sexton to retire? The fact is the man himself says no, he shouldn't. Hence the move South. Easy to forget players have free will and don't think in terms of what benefits their current team if it flies in the face of their career ambitions.</p><p></p><p>We can paint Leinster as the victim of other teams picking off their players, and don't get me wrong, they are a net loser in this regard, but that's obviously going to happen when you produce so many players on the back of an excellent setup (absolutely to Cullen and Lancaster's credit), and external factors like the high density of extremely strong and well resourced rugby schools, population and a variety of other reasons. That's not me using Leinster's strength as a stick to beat them with, but of course they're going to lose players. There's 15 starting positions among how many pro Leinster born players? It might suck for Leinster, but that comes with the territory.</p><p></p><p>To your bonus opinion, if Van Grann is fired or resigns tomorrow, where exactly is the Munster job now? What are our supply problems? We make the knockouts of our domestic competition and Europe every year, and rarely lose to anyone who isn't an eventual finalist in either competition. That's a pretty damn good baseline for an ambitious coach, whether that be RO'G or someone else. You're saying that's a worse situation than what RO'G walked into in la Rochelle, a team that got beaten by Sale, Exeter and Glasgow in Europe last year? That's not to say we shouldn't do better in bigger games, we should, but the idea that we have hugely systemic problems and produce no talent is false. The usual take is that we produce nice players, but don't play them enough and we also get our tactics badly wrong in big games, which are coaching issues. The idea we don't produce players and have a supply problems is an interesting departure considering we have a lot of depth and have blooded the best crop of young players we've had in many many years.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Groundhog, post: 1036494, member: 50079"] I would agree the issue on Saturday and for provinces going forward was a mixture with your first three points, but mostly want to address the quoted text. Haven't heard these rumors anywhere, but should a player like Carbery sit on his thumbs waiting for Sexton to retire? The fact is the man himself says no, he shouldn't. Hence the move South. Easy to forget players have free will and don't think in terms of what benefits their current team if it flies in the face of their career ambitions. We can paint Leinster as the victim of other teams picking off their players, and don't get me wrong, they are a net loser in this regard, but that's obviously going to happen when you produce so many players on the back of an excellent setup (absolutely to Cullen and Lancaster's credit), and external factors like the high density of extremely strong and well resourced rugby schools, population and a variety of other reasons. That's not me using Leinster's strength as a stick to beat them with, but of course they're going to lose players. There's 15 starting positions among how many pro Leinster born players? It might suck for Leinster, but that comes with the territory. To your bonus opinion, if Van Grann is fired or resigns tomorrow, where exactly is the Munster job now? What are our supply problems? We make the knockouts of our domestic competition and Europe every year, and rarely lose to anyone who isn't an eventual finalist in either competition. That's a pretty damn good baseline for an ambitious coach, whether that be RO'G or someone else. You're saying that's a worse situation than what RO'G walked into in la Rochelle, a team that got beaten by Sale, Exeter and Glasgow in Europe last year? That's not to say we shouldn't do better in bigger games, we should, but the idea that we have hugely systemic problems and produce no talent is false. The usual take is that we produce nice players, but don't play them enough and we also get our tactics badly wrong in big games, which are coaching issues. The idea we don't produce players and have a supply problems is an interesting departure considering we have a lot of depth and have blooded the best crop of young players we've had in many many years. [/QUOTE]
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