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<blockquote data-quote="smartcooky" data-source="post: 327705" data-attributes="member: 20605"><p>A contemptuous comment to make. You can't debate sensibly so you resort to this kind of crap.</p><p></p><p>Of course I can find fault with O'Brien, but IMO you are giving him a bad rap here. Your stated objection is that different hemispheres have different interpretations of the Laws, and you blame O'Brien for this. What will it take for you to understand that OBrien is not responsible for this, and that National Unions are? Is this concept too difficult for you to grasp?</p><p></p><p> You can quote the idiots at Planet Rugby all day long. I no longer take any notice of what they say, as they have zero credibility with me. They carry such a huge European bias to their reporting that most of what they publish isn't worth the time taken to read it. And as for their forum, we'll don't even go there!</p><p></p><p>Oh for God's sake man, you want to drag up 1999 refereeing errors and apply them to a different job 11 years later!!!</p><p></p><p>Any referee, no matter what level he referees at, who claims that he hasn't had train wreck or a 'mare or two with the whistle is a liar</p><p></p><p>From Law 1 to Law 22, not including referee signals, U19 and 7s variations...</p><p></p><p>2002 - 22 Laws, 140 pages</p><p>2003 - 22 Laws. 139 pages</p><p>2005 - 22 Laws, 138 pages </p><p>2007 - 22 Laws, 138 pages</p><p>2009 - 22 Laws, 138 pages</p><p>2010 - 22 Laws, 138 pages</p><p></p><p>O'Brien took up the Referee Manager appointment in August 2005 so that kind of shoots your argument down in flames now doesn't it?</p><p></p><p>This statement is the clearest indication yet that you don't understand the process and/or you haven't read my earlier posts.</p><p></p><p>So, let me explain it to you...... again! <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite11" alt=":rolleyes:" title="Roll Eyes :rolleyes:" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":rolleyes:" /></p><p></p><p>Rulings and Clarifications are generated by requests from <span style="font-size: 12px"><strong>NATIONAL RUGBY UNIONS</strong></span></p><p></p><p>Here is a typical header from a ruling so that you can see what I mean...</p><p></p><p>If there had been an increase in the number of Rulings and Clarifications, it would be because they have been requested.</p><p></p><p>The Referee's Manager<strong> <span style="font-size: 10px">DOES<u> NOT</u> HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH REQUESTING RULINGS AND CLARIFICATIONS. </span></strong>All he does is disseminate them to referees world-wide.</p><p></p><p>And in any case...</p><p></p><p>2002 - 9 Rulings</p><p>2003 - 14 Rulings</p><p>2004 - 10 Rulings</p><p>2005 - 7 Rulings (4 before O'Brien began, 3 after)</p><p>2006 - 10 Rulings</p><p>2007 - 3 Rulings</p><p>2008 - 4 Rulings</p><p>2009 - 9 Rulings</p><p>2010 - 2 Rulings (so far, but none in the pipeline AFAIK)</p><p></p><p>So</p><p>Prior to O'Brien's appointment.. 37 rulings in 3½ years (average 10 per year)</p><p>After OBriens appointment....... 31 rulings in 5 years (average 6 per year</p><p></p><p>Oh dear, shot down in flames again. Are you sure you wish to continue debating this with me?</p><p></p><p>I don't feel any need to "back my own guy" . I don't much care who the Referee Manager is or where he comes from. It is irrelevant to me.</p><p></p><p>As for commonsense, well I deal in facts and only ever argue from a position of knowing the facts. To do otherwise is to show a lack of commonsense.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="smartcooky, post: 327705, member: 20605"] A contemptuous comment to make. You can't debate sensibly so you resort to this kind of crap. Of course I can find fault with O'Brien, but IMO you are giving him a bad rap here. Your stated objection is that different hemispheres have different interpretations of the Laws, and you blame O'Brien for this. What will it take for you to understand that OBrien is not responsible for this, and that National Unions are? Is this concept too difficult for you to grasp? You can quote the idiots at Planet Rugby all day long. I no longer take any notice of what they say, as they have zero credibility with me. They carry such a huge European bias to their reporting that most of what they publish isn't worth the time taken to read it. And as for their forum, we'll don't even go there! Oh for God's sake man, you want to drag up 1999 refereeing errors and apply them to a different job 11 years later!!! Any referee, no matter what level he referees at, who claims that he hasn't had train wreck or a 'mare or two with the whistle is a liar From Law 1 to Law 22, not including referee signals, U19 and 7s variations... 2002 - 22 Laws, 140 pages 2003 - 22 Laws. 139 pages 2005 - 22 Laws, 138 pages 2007 - 22 Laws, 138 pages 2009 - 22 Laws, 138 pages 2010 - 22 Laws, 138 pages O'Brien took up the Referee Manager appointment in August 2005 so that kind of shoots your argument down in flames now doesn't it? This statement is the clearest indication yet that you don't understand the process and/or you haven't read my earlier posts. So, let me explain it to you...... again! :rolleyes: Rulings and Clarifications are generated by requests from [SIZE=3][B]NATIONAL RUGBY UNIONS[/B][/SIZE] Here is a typical header from a ruling so that you can see what I mean... If there had been an increase in the number of Rulings and Clarifications, it would be because they have been requested. The Referee's Manager[B] [SIZE=2]DOES[U] NOT[/U] HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH REQUESTING RULINGS AND CLARIFICATIONS. [/SIZE][/B]All he does is disseminate them to referees world-wide. And in any case... 2002 - 9 Rulings 2003 - 14 Rulings 2004 - 10 Rulings 2005 - 7 Rulings (4 before O'Brien began, 3 after) 2006 - 10 Rulings 2007 - 3 Rulings 2008 - 4 Rulings 2009 - 9 Rulings 2010 - 2 Rulings (so far, but none in the pipeline AFAIK) So Prior to O'Brien's appointment.. 37 rulings in 3½ years (average 10 per year) After OBriens appointment....... 31 rulings in 5 years (average 6 per year Oh dear, shot down in flames again. Are you sure you wish to continue debating this with me? I don't feel any need to "back my own guy" . I don't much care who the Referee Manager is or where he comes from. It is irrelevant to me. As for commonsense, well I deal in facts and only ever argue from a position of knowing the facts. To do otherwise is to show a lack of commonsense. [/QUOTE]
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