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<blockquote data-quote="smartcooky" data-source="post: 327955" data-attributes="member: 20605"><p>Your post is more full of holes than a 10Kg block of Emmental. I hardly know where to start!!</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>FFS get your facts straight!! </p><p></p><p>Firstly, the Laws project Group, authors and conceivers of the ELVs, set up by the IRB’s Rugby Committee in 2005 were</p><p></p><p>Bill Beaumont (England, NH, Chairman) - also Vice Chairman of the iRB</p><p>Bill Nolan (Scotland, NH)</p><p>Rod Macqueen (Australia, SH)</p><p>Ian McIntosh (South Africa, SH)</p><p>Richie Dixon (Scotland, NH)</p><p>Pierre Villepreux (France, NH)</p><p>Graham Mourie (New Zealand, SH)</p><p>Paddy O'Brien (New Zealand, SH)</p><p></p><p>NOTE:<strong> Four</strong> NH and <strong>four</strong> SH representatives, with the NH both Chairing the Group and having the casting vote.</p><p></p><p>Secondly, the ELV's had the full backing of O'Brien because;</p><p></p><p>a. He was the SPOKESMAN for the Laws Project Group</p><p>b. The ELV's were iRB policy!</p><p></p><p>What the fvck would you expect an iRB spokesman to do, speak out against the policy of his employers? FFS man take some time to think about what it is you are posting before you make a complete dick of yourself on a public forum.</p><p></p><p>The iRB meeting between referees and coaches and the subsequent memo was about Touch Judges becoming involved in the game with <strong>marginal calls</strong> that were <strong>beyond their mandate</strong>, and <strong>outside the touch judging protocols</strong> in place at the time!!!!</p><p></p><p>In the video he is talking about the ELV's. This was AFTER 2007. You are comparing apples with oranges.</p><p></p><p>He sidelined Dickinson because he had a terrible game. Lyndon Bray, the SANZAR Referees Manager did exactly the same to Paul Marks, Matt Goddard, James Leckie, Garrett Williamson and Pro Legoete in the Super 14..</p><p></p><p>And for the record, the All Black management did NOT make any formal complaint about Dickinson's performance at San Siro.</p><p></p><p>You are so naive! You must live in a world everything is in black and white, with no shades of grey. </p><p></p><p>Firstly, just because he had something to say, does not mean he is biased. In 2007, O'Brien was very critical of the All Blacks management over their criticism of Wayne Barnes. Where's the pro NZ bias there then? Also, he called Peter Thorburn a liar over the touch judge memo. While not exactly lying, Thorburn did grossly misrepresent what was in that memo. OBrien's stand was for the iRB, against a NZ coach. Where is the pro NZ bias there?</p><p></p><p>Secondly, an apology does not mean that what he said is incorrect, but he may have been wrong to say it. Elementary School English Compreshenson mate!! If a 5ft 2in person weighs 250lb and has a fat arse, I might call them a short fat-arsed person. I would be "wrong" to say that (and later apologise for it) but I would still be technically correct in what I said. </p><p></p><p>And since NZ has probably had one of the best scrums in the world for the last five tp ten years, exactly why do you think they want scrums removed or de-powered.</p><p> </p><p>The game became a mess between 2001 and 2005 when the Home Unions wanted to slow the game down, presumably because they couldn't cope with the speed it was played in the SH. You only have to look at footage from the first years of the Super 12 (1996 to 2000) to see what a fantastic and exhilarating game we had. Then the NH dominated iRB changed the tackle Law and the whole breakdown area became a mess. </p><p></p><p>The game is hard to referee because of the complexity of the Laws. Its the price we pay for having a contest for possession at the breakdown. If you want to watch simple game with simple Laws go watch Rugby Lite and Wendyball.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="smartcooky, post: 327955, member: 20605"] Your post is more full of holes than a 10Kg block of Emmental. I hardly know where to start!! FFS get your facts straight!! Firstly, the Laws project Group, authors and conceivers of the ELVs, set up by the IRB’s Rugby Committee in 2005 were Bill Beaumont (England, NH, Chairman) - also Vice Chairman of the iRB Bill Nolan (Scotland, NH) Rod Macqueen (Australia, SH) Ian McIntosh (South Africa, SH) Richie Dixon (Scotland, NH) Pierre Villepreux (France, NH) Graham Mourie (New Zealand, SH) Paddy O'Brien (New Zealand, SH) NOTE:[B] Four[/B] NH and [B]four[/B] SH representatives, with the NH both Chairing the Group and having the casting vote. Secondly, the ELV's had the full backing of O'Brien because; a. He was the SPOKESMAN for the Laws Project Group b. The ELV's were iRB policy! What the fvck would you expect an iRB spokesman to do, speak out against the policy of his employers? FFS man take some time to think about what it is you are posting before you make a complete dick of yourself on a public forum. The iRB meeting between referees and coaches and the subsequent memo was about Touch Judges becoming involved in the game with [B]marginal calls[/B] that were [B]beyond their mandate[/B], and [B]outside the touch judging protocols[/B] in place at the time!!!! In the video he is talking about the ELV's. This was AFTER 2007. You are comparing apples with oranges. He sidelined Dickinson because he had a terrible game. Lyndon Bray, the SANZAR Referees Manager did exactly the same to Paul Marks, Matt Goddard, James Leckie, Garrett Williamson and Pro Legoete in the Super 14.. And for the record, the All Black management did NOT make any formal complaint about Dickinson's performance at San Siro. You are so naive! You must live in a world everything is in black and white, with no shades of grey. Firstly, just because he had something to say, does not mean he is biased. In 2007, O'Brien was very critical of the All Blacks management over their criticism of Wayne Barnes. Where's the pro NZ bias there then? Also, he called Peter Thorburn a liar over the touch judge memo. While not exactly lying, Thorburn did grossly misrepresent what was in that memo. OBrien's stand was for the iRB, against a NZ coach. Where is the pro NZ bias there? Secondly, an apology does not mean that what he said is incorrect, but he may have been wrong to say it. Elementary School English Compreshenson mate!! If a 5ft 2in person weighs 250lb and has a fat arse, I might call them a short fat-arsed person. I would be "wrong" to say that (and later apologise for it) but I would still be technically correct in what I said. And since NZ has probably had one of the best scrums in the world for the last five tp ten years, exactly why do you think they want scrums removed or de-powered. The game became a mess between 2001 and 2005 when the Home Unions wanted to slow the game down, presumably because they couldn't cope with the speed it was played in the SH. You only have to look at footage from the first years of the Super 12 (1996 to 2000) to see what a fantastic and exhilarating game we had. Then the NH dominated iRB changed the tackle Law and the whole breakdown area became a mess. The game is hard to referee because of the complexity of the Laws. Its the price we pay for having a contest for possession at the breakdown. If you want to watch simple game with simple Laws go watch Rugby Lite and Wendyball. [/QUOTE]
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