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CJ Stander to retire at the end of the season
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<blockquote data-quote="TRF_heineken" data-source="post: 1031862" data-attributes="member: 40658"><p>Just to respond on your 4 holes you mention:</p><p>1. Read the article a bit more:</p><p></p><p>So the CEO said they were unable to match the offer from Munster, and the head coach wanted him to stay. Clearly there were discussions with CJ and his future with the Bulls.</p><p></p><p>2. Sure, give IRFU/Ireland the benefit of the doubt, project players by UK based nations is not something that actively happens to help them boost their stocks. It doesn't happen at all...</p><p></p><p>3. As stated before, coaches always tend to make suggestions to players and improve their game. South Africa has a history of making those suggestions to players, and most of the time, it worked out quite well. Beast from no. 8 to prop, Pierre Spies from winger to no. 8, Bryan Habana from scrumhalf to winger.</p><p></p><p>Also a lot of players are told that due to their size they might not become a springbok. Have you watched Chasing the Sun yet?? Watch the part about Cheslin Kolbe, and how he was told he's too small, but he made the decision to embrace the challenge and prove them wrong. It's a very strong motivator if you ask me. And if you know South African mentality, that's the typical statement to make, to fire up a guy.</p><p></p><p>But perhaps at that point in CJ's life, he wasn't maybe as mentally tough as he is now, and he took the criticism negatively and rather decided to take an out, that try and fight.</p><p></p><p>4. As stated before, look at the list of already capped Springboks backrowers that played in 2012. Pierre Spies, Dewald Potgieter and Deon Stegmann were all also springboks and playing at the Bulls. Potgieter, Stegmann and Liebenberg also subsequently left the Bulls in 2013-2016 to play for more money in Japan and the UK. Liebenberg left in 2013 by the way, and wasn't considered in the running to join the bok camp at any stage prior to his departure for France. </p><p></p><p>I honestly don't know what else could the Bulls and SA Rugby have done to please CJ. The Bulls tried there best while also being in financial difficulties to negotiate renewal. The Springboks invited him to travel with them on a EOYT, which is a very high honour for a young player that not a lot of guys can say they've had the privilege as a 21-year old. He was becoming a household name, he won many bulls fans over (including myself) with his introduction to Super Rugby in his first season as a full-time pro rugby player. And then he just left...</p><p></p><p>I get that you and I will never agree about this, it's clear your personal relationship with him has made up your mind on this matter, but from my point of view, SA Rugby also didn't do anything wrong, so stop making us look like the bad guys here.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="TRF_heineken, post: 1031862, member: 40658"] Just to respond on your 4 holes you mention: 1. Read the article a bit more: So the CEO said they were unable to match the offer from Munster, and the head coach wanted him to stay. Clearly there were discussions with CJ and his future with the Bulls. 2. Sure, give IRFU/Ireland the benefit of the doubt, project players by UK based nations is not something that actively happens to help them boost their stocks. It doesn't happen at all... 3. As stated before, coaches always tend to make suggestions to players and improve their game. South Africa has a history of making those suggestions to players, and most of the time, it worked out quite well. Beast from no. 8 to prop, Pierre Spies from winger to no. 8, Bryan Habana from scrumhalf to winger. Also a lot of players are told that due to their size they might not become a springbok. Have you watched Chasing the Sun yet?? Watch the part about Cheslin Kolbe, and how he was told he's too small, but he made the decision to embrace the challenge and prove them wrong. It's a very strong motivator if you ask me. And if you know South African mentality, that's the typical statement to make, to fire up a guy. But perhaps at that point in CJ's life, he wasn't maybe as mentally tough as he is now, and he took the criticism negatively and rather decided to take an out, that try and fight. 4. As stated before, look at the list of already capped Springboks backrowers that played in 2012. Pierre Spies, Dewald Potgieter and Deon Stegmann were all also springboks and playing at the Bulls. Potgieter, Stegmann and Liebenberg also subsequently left the Bulls in 2013-2016 to play for more money in Japan and the UK. Liebenberg left in 2013 by the way, and wasn't considered in the running to join the bok camp at any stage prior to his departure for France. I honestly don't know what else could the Bulls and SA Rugby have done to please CJ. The Bulls tried there best while also being in financial difficulties to negotiate renewal. The Springboks invited him to travel with them on a EOYT, which is a very high honour for a young player that not a lot of guys can say they've had the privilege as a 21-year old. He was becoming a household name, he won many bulls fans over (including myself) with his introduction to Super Rugby in his first season as a full-time pro rugby player. And then he just left... I get that you and I will never agree about this, it's clear your personal relationship with him has made up your mind on this matter, but from my point of view, SA Rugby also didn't do anything wrong, so stop making us look like the bad guys here. [/QUOTE]
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