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<blockquote data-quote="gingergenius" data-source="post: 296382"><p><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bullitt @ Jan 3 2010, 06:22 PM) <a href="http://index.php?act=findpost&pid=429924" target="_blank"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div></p><p></p><p>I'm not trying to defend the England team, I'm merely saying that there's a huge difference between club and country. It's all very well Saracens beating the South African Coloured XV, but it wouldn't happen too often normally.</p><p></p><p>For starters, a lot of outstanding club players don't make it at international level, regardless of who the management is. Hodgson was equally **** under a succession of England coaches, including Sir Clive. I could go on naming names from all sorts of different countries. But it highlights that there's a step up.</p><p></p><p>Anyway, onto the England players you criticise.</p><p></p><p>Armitage - has just come back from a long injury, and has played poorly in one game and well in another. </p><p>Cueto - is good - you bemoan Sackey and Varndell for having poor defensive skills, but a winger like Cueto who is thoroughly dependable in defence doesn't float your boat? I admit it'd be better to have someone more exciting, but he scores tries and rarely lets us down.</p><p>Tait - no one picks him because England managers have no balls. They prefer big guys with no brains like Erinle. I'd happily throw in Allen or Clarke, but they'll be ignored too.</p><p>Flutey - whether you think he's English or not is irrelevant.</p><p>Monye - Looks good playing in teams that give him good ball... ie. Quins last year, England last year, Lions.</p><p>Flood - manages a game better and better, takes the ball flat and is by some way out best option at 10.</p><p>Hodgson - not as good as Care, but also has the ability to use what's between his ears.</p><p>Easter - Not a great option, but reliable. A Cueto for the forwards.</p><p>Moody - I agree with what you said. I'd prefer a proper fetcher, like Saull, at 7. However he has played well for England lately.</p><p>Croft - capable of looking world class if the rest of the team puts in the effort</p><p>Borthwick - an excellent lineout operator, with good hands. Gets blamed for the lack of dynamism of the players around him.</p><p>Shaw - world class</p><p>Wilson - a decent tighthead. There are very few world class 3s around anyway.</p><p>Mears - you don't like him, but he's a good player.</p><p>Sheridan - capable of being very good.</p><p></p><p>May not be a team of world beaters, but what's the Mite alternative? Let's pick a team of players who wouldn't make my team who you probably like.</p><p></p><p>15. Foden</p><p>14. Ashton</p><p>13. Clarke</p><p>12. Geraghty</p><p>11. Simpson-Daniel</p><p>10. Myler</p><p>9. Care</p><p>8. pass.</p><p>7. Saull</p><p>6. Robshaw</p><p>5. Kennedy</p><p>4. Lawes</p><p>3. pass.</p><p>2. Hartley</p><p>1. pass.</p><p></p><p>I couldn't even think of 15 players who reach your usual selection criteria. Even if I could, that kind of team would get slaughtered.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="gingergenius, post: 296382"] <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bullitt @ Jan 3 2010, 06:22 PM) [url='index.php?act=findpost&pid=429924']<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/url]</div> I'm not trying to defend the England team, I'm merely saying that there's a huge difference between club and country. It's all very well Saracens beating the South African Coloured XV, but it wouldn't happen too often normally. For starters, a lot of outstanding club players don't make it at international level, regardless of who the management is. Hodgson was equally **** under a succession of England coaches, including Sir Clive. I could go on naming names from all sorts of different countries. But it highlights that there's a step up. Anyway, onto the England players you criticise. Armitage - has just come back from a long injury, and has played poorly in one game and well in another. Cueto - is good - you bemoan Sackey and Varndell for having poor defensive skills, but a winger like Cueto who is thoroughly dependable in defence doesn't float your boat? I admit it'd be better to have someone more exciting, but he scores tries and rarely lets us down. Tait - no one picks him because England managers have no balls. They prefer big guys with no brains like Erinle. I'd happily throw in Allen or Clarke, but they'll be ignored too. Flutey - whether you think he's English or not is irrelevant. Monye - Looks good playing in teams that give him good ball... ie. Quins last year, England last year, Lions. Flood - manages a game better and better, takes the ball flat and is by some way out best option at 10. Hodgson - not as good as Care, but also has the ability to use what's between his ears. Easter - Not a great option, but reliable. A Cueto for the forwards. Moody - I agree with what you said. I'd prefer a proper fetcher, like Saull, at 7. However he has played well for England lately. Croft - capable of looking world class if the rest of the team puts in the effort Borthwick - an excellent lineout operator, with good hands. Gets blamed for the lack of dynamism of the players around him. Shaw - world class Wilson - a decent tighthead. There are very few world class 3s around anyway. Mears - you don't like him, but he's a good player. Sheridan - capable of being very good. May not be a team of world beaters, but what's the Mite alternative? Let's pick a team of players who wouldn't make my team who you probably like. 15. Foden 14. Ashton 13. Clarke 12. Geraghty 11. Simpson-Daniel 10. Myler 9. Care 8. pass. 7. Saull 6. Robshaw 5. Kennedy 4. Lawes 3. pass. 2. Hartley 1. pass. I couldn't even think of 15 players who reach your usual selection criteria. Even if I could, that kind of team would get slaughtered. [/QUOTE]
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