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<blockquote data-quote="Cruz_del_Sur" data-source="post: 1099070" data-attributes="member: 55747"><p>A lot of interesting points, cant adress all so i'll cherry pick. </p><p></p><p>he doesnt have to. My point is that he is miles ahead of the competition which gave Leinster quite a lot of headaches. I'm using him as a part of a group. I expressed myself quite poorly i suppose. </p><p>I didnt mention their opposite numbers (i did and deleted it), true. </p><p>Lets make it simple and bound, for accuracy. </p><p></p><p>Who had the better pack in 2022, saders or leinster? Lets hear from non leinster/crusaders forum members to eliminate bias. I'm out too. </p><p></p><p>Can we get a poll here Oly? </p><p></p><p>And remeber, please because this is important, we are making this poll AFTER ireland beat nz. Quite sure that will have an impact on the results, when it should not. </p><p></p><p>I wouldnt use the word 'only', and i dont think i have to explain at this point that i consider Sexton a demi-god and i am particularly fond of Ringrose, Henshaw, Keenan, Lowe and Larmour. </p><p>That ringrose-henshaw find has been one of the best discoveries for ireland since spanish conquistadors brought potatoes to europe. You can quote me on that. I know you want to. </p><p></p><p>Especially considering who their predecessors were. I guess we all expected we would have to lower our expectations when BOD and Darcy retired and that did not happen. Not at all. </p><p>But it is Lei's pack that feeds that back line. I dont think Lei's backline is what causes headaches to most defensive coaches. Their pack most certainly does. </p><p>Sure, a game or two per year they get outmuscled at dynamic formations (NEVER at fixed) and the backs have to rise to the occasion to compensate. </p><p></p><p>My point is, that as strong as that set of backs is, i don't see it ahead of their crusaders' counterpart. I am willing to put both sets of backs at par. Fine with that. I can see not only the crusader's pack matching Lei's pack, i can see them pushing them back. </p><p></p><p>Crusaders have also shown time and time again that when **** hits the fan they don't shy away from the challenge. Doesn't mean they'll win, but they will most certainly throw everything but the sink at the team in front of them. The game against blues comes to mind. </p><p></p><p></p><p>I enjoy these sorts of arguments. If only people supported a NH vs SH club game final to end all this speculation. Do it in a place like Spain, Portugal. Doesn't even have to be yearly.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Cruz_del_Sur, post: 1099070, member: 55747"] A lot of interesting points, cant adress all so i'll cherry pick. he doesnt have to. My point is that he is miles ahead of the competition which gave Leinster quite a lot of headaches. I'm using him as a part of a group. I expressed myself quite poorly i suppose. I didnt mention their opposite numbers (i did and deleted it), true. Lets make it simple and bound, for accuracy. Who had the better pack in 2022, saders or leinster? Lets hear from non leinster/crusaders forum members to eliminate bias. I'm out too. Can we get a poll here Oly? And remeber, please because this is important, we are making this poll AFTER ireland beat nz. Quite sure that will have an impact on the results, when it should not. I wouldnt use the word 'only', and i dont think i have to explain at this point that i consider Sexton a demi-god and i am particularly fond of Ringrose, Henshaw, Keenan, Lowe and Larmour. That ringrose-henshaw find has been one of the best discoveries for ireland since spanish conquistadors brought potatoes to europe. You can quote me on that. I know you want to. Especially considering who their predecessors were. I guess we all expected we would have to lower our expectations when BOD and Darcy retired and that did not happen. Not at all. But it is Lei's pack that feeds that back line. I dont think Lei's backline is what causes headaches to most defensive coaches. Their pack most certainly does. Sure, a game or two per year they get outmuscled at dynamic formations (NEVER at fixed) and the backs have to rise to the occasion to compensate. My point is, that as strong as that set of backs is, i don't see it ahead of their crusaders' counterpart. I am willing to put both sets of backs at par. Fine with that. I can see not only the crusader's pack matching Lei's pack, i can see them pushing them back. Crusaders have also shown time and time again that when **** hits the fan they don't shy away from the challenge. Doesn't mean they'll win, but they will most certainly throw everything but the sink at the team in front of them. The game against blues comes to mind. I enjoy these sorts of arguments. If only people supported a NH vs SH club game final to end all this speculation. Do it in a place like Spain, Portugal. Doesn't even have to be yearly. [/QUOTE]
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