- May 6, 2010
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1) Jamie Bhatti 16) Ross FordAnyone like to try the Scottish side?
I get your point but it’s about ‘where do you draw the line’ for the purpose of his video... and like I said he states on multiple occasions that it is not a perfect system (far from it and that is why it is not enforced within the game) but it does throw up some interesting results.Country of Birth simply doesn't work there are plenty of athletes throughout all sport who would be competing for countries they literally barely remember living in.
Honestly I'd consider removing parents as a qualification (not going to happen) and make all about residency 10 years or majority required to qualify with any year below the age of 18 counting for double. If you manage to multi qualify you can select.
I watched the video, I have no idea where you are drawing conclusions that he portrays this as "his system of eligibility" and he thinks it is "the fairest overall".Interesting video on the subject here from Two Cents Rugby. He admits that his system of eligibility might not be perfect but is probably the fairest overall, which is purely country of birth.
Some interesting results...
For the sake of the video not what he thinks should be implemented into the game.I watched the video, I have no idea where you are drawing conclusions that he portrays this as "his system of eligibility" and he thinks it is "the fairest overall".
He makes no such judgements.
And not before time either. Most of Wales' "foreign" players were usually born in England to one or two Welsh parents and moved to Wales when very little. Compared to many other countries, Wales doesn't use that many SH players and rightly so. Develop your own I say.That the Scottish 23s don't look awful is testament to the quality of some of the young players coming through. Even three years ago drawing up such a team would have been incredibly difficult.
The same applies to Italy, the reliance on Southern Hemisphere is starting to subside.
Those two plus Faletau would be the non-Welsh born players Wales would miss the most. Otherwise as you say it is still a good team.Wales:
Alun Wyn Jones
That's still a decent team for Wales but the bench would start to look a bit weak.
England could have Jon Davies and George North who both were born there but moved to Wales when they were about 2.
Don't forget Ultan Dillane (France) and Niyi Adeolokun (Nigeria). Further, among the recently-retired players, Jamie Heaslip was born in Israel and Jared Payne in NZ.1. Healy
7. Van der Flier
Unavailable starter: Stander (SA)
Unavailable 23: Carbery (NZ) Murphy (Spain)
Unavailable squad: Aki (NZ) McGrath (Canada) Herring (SA) Bealham (Australia) Marmion (England) Roux (SA) Ruddock (Wales) Addison (England) Arnold (England)
This shows and slightly exaggerates how Ireland use the project player system for the most part. They don't go for guys for the 23 because then you'll just be trying to beat other teams with players they don't need and that won't work. Having them as your own back ups because you don't produce as many players as NZ, SA and England due to the sheer numbers game has seen them become very competitive.
There's five residency guys in there, two of which aren't the last guy in their position to make the squad.
Carbery is the bigger of the two losses to the 23 too imo.
Augustin Pichot is after tweeting out a list of tier 1 nations' foreign born player percentages.
It's an endorsement for Argentinian rugby and he's probably trying to push something through that he thinks will give the pumas an advantage because that's about 98% of what he does in WR but it's relevant to this thread nonetheless.
I guarantee you Pichot watched that Two Cent Rugby video I posted above, his figures are identical if memory serves.Other teams playing foreign born players isn't the reason Argentina are crap
Plus his numbers are wrong, England's is 25%, for example.
Plus when you factor in the age of some of the moves (Earle born in Hong Kong due to parents working there, moved back before he even started infants, Underhill similar story, Joe C moved to England when he was 2). There's plenty of poaches/dodgy grannys in international rugby but these percentages don't tell half the story.