Crowd Watch

Discussion in 'Super Rugby' started by QLD, Mar 14, 2009.

  1. QLD

    QLD Guest

    Here's a thread for members to post crowds of the games if they like, or if anyone could provide links to match crowds that would be good.

    Reds commentators didn't say the crowd, looked around 16,000 I think.
     
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  3. Woldog

    Woldog Guest

    I thought they said 28,000 or something during the game, but I was only half listening to the commentary, I was too busy yelling at Phil Mooney for not putting Rodney Davies on.
     
  4. Wally

    Wally Guest

    The crowd was just over 20,000. Should be at least another 5k after the bye.
     
  5. why does rugby get such **** crowds for Super 14... I mean I was watching a Hurricanes game the other week and the cake tin looked bare... With only 6 or 7 home games a year I would think that crowds would be super high considering it is your national sport and all. This is something I don't understand because its not like tickets are all that expensive to goto a game.

    Hell if you want decent seats at an NHL game in Canada its going to cost you over a 100$ and if its lets say the Leafs it will probably be around 150$.

    Not to mention that you basically can't just walk up to an NHL game and buy tickets your **** out of luck if thats the case and NHL teams play 41 home games a year so there is no reason why Super 14 should not be filling those domes every night. I think the rugby heads should be trying to concentrate on getting fans out to the game. Doesn't matter what sort of tv contract you sign with the big tv companies as far as I am concerned rugby is still a spectator driven sport.
     
  6. tommowins

    tommowins Guest

    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Canadian_Rugger @ Mar 15 2009, 12:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
    A simple thing called money. I think in all three countries the broadcasting rights are sold exclusively to Pay-TV stations. Because only like %10 of people have Pay-TV, probably less in RSA, less people watch it and get into it. If they continue to do do this there will be little fan base and then Super 14 goes down the spout. I just hope SANZAR realise soon that they have to get fans and mass support before money!
     
  7. Steve-o

    Steve-o Guest

    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Canadian_Rugger @ Mar 14 2009, 04:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
    That seems to be the cast in AUS and NZ but here in SA we've been seeing sell-out crowds in our local games.
     
  8. QLD

    QLD Guest

    Proven that style of play regardless of result will affect crowds. Waratards been winning poorly and only 28k turned up to the QLD derby. Queensland got more than 20k against a South African side when we were likely to lose, prepared to watch a time play attractive rugby but chances are you might lose. It paid off in the end.

    Tommowins is right about TV. All games in Australia are on pay tv and the season is too short compared to the rugby league and AFL which are more seen as domestic sports here, with both those compititions having games on both FTA and Pay TV which gets more interest. We can hope some games will go to FTA in the future. The Reds have to compete with the Brisbane Broncos Rugby League team for fans (who got 45,000 to their game the night before, though it was a local derby) and the Waratahs compete with 9 Rugby League teams.

    Overall I say the main reason for disapointing crowds might be the season is too short and hard to get into, no games on FTA and there's no salary cap or something like that to even out the teams, it gets f***ing boring seeing the Crusaders win the title every year.
     
  9. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dale @ Mar 15 2009, 08:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
    Honestly the administrators in your country need to take a hard look at how they market their game. The excuse that the season is too short holds little merit as seasons are short in other codes as well aka American and Canadian Football. They need to get away from the pay tv crap as well. All the local games from a team should be broadcast on local tv aswell... this is the way it works in Canada and the US. We have pay TV for our major sports leagues. Its in the form of extended coverage packages. My dad has two of them aka NHL centre ice and NFL sunday ticket. You get every single game broadcast with these its 200$ for the entire year and you get over 800 games. All the local teams aka Montreal and Toronto broadcast there games on CBC as do the other Canadian teams.

    With the CFL the season is only 18 games long all the games are available on public tv. TSN and CBC both broadcast all the games on friday. Friday night football is huge in Canada and the stadium average is 30,000 fans a game. Not to mention teams such as edmonton and calgary regularly pull in 45 to 50,000 a game.

    As far as I am concerned if rugby is going to succeed in the Southern Hemisphere then the premiere product needs to be marketed more effectively. You need to get people out to the games because rugby is not a tv sport it is a spectator sport and if it is not marketed as such it is going to fail. I mean how much is it to goto a game anyways??? Why don't they lower the tickets if the crowds are so dysmal. The administrators of the Super 14 should take a crash course on how to run a real professional sports organization.
     
  10. tommowins

    tommowins Guest

    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Canadian_Rugger @ Mar 16 2009, 03:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
    Honestly the administrators in your country need to take a hard look at how they market their game. The excuse that the season is too short holds little merit as seasons are short in other codes as well aka American and Canadian Football. They need to get away from the pay tv crap as well. All the local games from a team should be broadcast on local tv aswell... this is the way it works in Canada and the US. We have pay TV for our major sports leagues. Its in the form of extended coverage packages. My dad has two of them aka NHL centre ice and NFL sunday ticket. You get every single game broadcast with these its 200$ for the entire year and you get over 800 games. All the local teams aka Montreal and Toronto broadcast there games on CBC as do the other Canadian teams.

    With the CFL the season is only 18 games long all the games are available on public tv. TSN and CBC both broadcast all the games on friday. Friday night football is huge in Canada and the stadium average is 30,000 fans a game. Not to mention teams such as edmonton and calgary regularly pull in 45 to 50,000 a game.

    As far as I am concerned if rugby is going to succeed in the Southern Hemisphere then the premiere product needs to be marketed more effectively. You need to get people out to the games because rugby is not a tv sport it is a spectator sport and if it is not marketed as such it is going to fail. I mean how much is it to goto a game anyways??? Why don't they lower the tickets if the crowds are so dysmal. The administrators of the Super 14 should take a crash course on how to run a real professional sports organization.
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    We all have our solutions but whether the various unions actually listen is another matter.
     
  11. toxicfiend

    toxicfiend Guest

    Over on the west coast here canucks games are about 50-60 dollars a ticket for the shitty last row upper bowl seats, while they do put all the game on TV there are about 12 are pay per view it's only about 12 bucks to get the game in non hd. They do sell out most nights. As far as the cfl goes here they get over 25 000 a game i believe 20 dollars being the cheapest tickets I think that really draws people to the football games, go out have a good night tickets aren't overpriced. It could be a problem with there just not being enough people with spare cash to go, here in the vancouver lower mainland there are over 2.5 million people and there being only 4.1 million people in all of new zealand and maybe there they don't have as much disposable income as people do here. As for australia they have other games that dominate the market but there prices might just be too high for people. Also the cfl and nhl seasons tend to not overlap too much which helps out i guess
     
  12. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (toxicfiend @ Mar 16 2009, 09:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
    Your right about Vancouver having a large market to draw from but lets look at the NHL for example and some of the small market teams aka edmonton or Ottawa. Edmonton sells out the rink almost every game around 19,000 fans over 40 games that season and in the CFL they have one of the highest avg attendances in the league at around 50,000 a game. This and they only have around 800,000 to 900,000 people in the city of Edmonton
     
  13. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dale @ Mar 15 2009, 08:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
    Going slightly off topic but John O'Neill said he hoped to get some Super 15 games on terrestrial TV in Australia once the schedule is expanded. I'll try to find the link (it was about a month ago that he said it). As far as I can recall he hoped to get one game per week on FTA with the bulk of games staying on pay TV.
     
  14. toxicfiend

    toxicfiend Guest

    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Canadian_Rugger @ Mar 16 2009, 05:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
    Your right about Vancouver having a large market to draw from but lets look at the NHL for example and some of the small market teams aka edmonton or Ottawa. Edmonton sells out the rink almost every game around 19,000 fans over 40 games that season and in the CFL they have one of the highest avg attendances in the league at around 50,000 a game. This and they only have around 800,000 to 900,000 people in the city of Edmonton
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    I think it's the fact that they live in edmonton and there is **** all else to do :D I looked up super 14 tickets for the hurricanes and they are 23-30 dollars but thats on ticketmaster and well.. I don't see how someone wouldn't have 30 dollars to go see a game once per week, it must come down to marketing. I would gladly give up some drinks that night to go see a top level rugby match. How much is a beer at the games there? Bet they're not f***ing 8 dollars for a plastic cup the size of a can :cryy:
     
  15. Prestwick

    Prestwick Guest

    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (tommowins @ Mar 15 2009, 08:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
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  16. Steve-o

    Steve-o Guest

    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (toxicfiend @ Mar 16 2009, 09:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
    Your right about Vancouver having a large market to draw from but lets look at the NHL for example and some of the small market teams aka edmonton or Ottawa. Edmonton sells out the rink almost every game around 19,000 fans over 40 games that season and in the CFL they have one of the highest avg attendances in the league at around 50,000 a game. This and they only have around 800,000 to 900,000 people in the city of Edmonton
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    I think it's the fact that they live in edmonton and there is **** all else to do :D I looked up super 14 tickets for the hurricanes and they are 23-30 dollars but thats on ticketmaster and well.. I don't see how someone wouldn't have 30 dollars to go see a game once per week, it must come down to marketing. I would gladly give up some drinks that night to go see a top level rugby match. How much is a beer at the games there? Bet they're not f***ing 8 dollars for a plastic cup the size of a can :cryy:
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    Look at it in context though. A player like Michalak in the S14 earned something like a 1/4 of what he earns in the Top 14. And he is was one of the more expensive players for the Sharks. Economically you can't compare the two regions, and that's even more true if you add SA, where just under half the population in poverty.

    Population - People per sq mile:

    UK
    60 mil - 637/sq mile

    New Zealand
    4.2 mil - 39/sq mile

    France
    65 mil - 297/sq mile

    Australia
    21,6 mil - 7.3/sq mile

    SA
    48 mil - 101/sq mile

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    Having studied population geography in varsity I can tell you the numbers just keep pointing in Europe's and the UK's favour. The average wages/salaries are higher there. The people can spend more percentage wise on 'recreation' while spending less of their income on food.
    The densities above show that more people have access to better facilities, closer by.

    This is one side of the coin however as other sports which might attract spectators away from rugby, but you get the point.

    There is however no excuse that a place like Hamilton only can get 8 000 people to a Sharks game. That is bad.
     
  17. tommowins

    tommowins Guest

    Its not that New Zealanders are poor or anything. I'm fairly sure the average person could afford this: http://www.ticketmaster.co.nz/event/240041...;minorcatid=694

    I think it could also be a lack of city spirit. As in, people cannot be bothered to go and support the best of their reigon every second week. Perhaps if a campaign begins to make people in Hamilton proud and thrilled to live in Waikato, they might go to more matches, especially if you drill home that if you are proud to be from Waikato, go support the best of your reigon.

    I think this above reigon and the PayTV problem are the main causes.
     
  18. that makes a lot of sense and would explain a lot... the whole argument about population demographics doesn't hold much water as most of the teams are based in major urban centers. As such they should be drawing massive crowds. As far as I am concerned places like Auckland should be filling their stadium every week and if they are not then it shows a major problem with how the game is being run in that country.
     
  19. William18

    William18 Guest

    In NZ we have relatively low populations. A place like Dunedin only has 100,000 and the Warratahs have 4 million in their home city. That's definately a major factor. Another reason is that we have lost a lot of good players overseas so our depth isn't as high as it could be. The real reason, however, is that people are bored sick of Super 14. Really, the competition hasn't been good for NZ rugby. People have rugby for 10 months over the year which is too much and the Super 14 has lost it's special element. I think it just shows that NZ can't continue with the Super 14 format.
     
  20. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (William18 @ Mar 18 2009, 07:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
    Well I see the overall problem as one where there is too much competition. NZ cannot afford to run both NPC and Super14 which is why I think the NPC needs to be scrapped... there is all the history and all that other stuff that must be taken into consideration but I believe the NPC needs to be turned into a purely amateur competition or make it an age grade competition.

    In Canada we have the Canadian Hockey League which is our national championship but its age grade 16 to 21 and it acts as a feeder to the professional league. I see the NPC acting in this regard.
     
  21. Prestwick

    Prestwick Guest

    The NPC seems to be one of these expensive luxuries which are clung to because they have some kind of important sense of tradition and history that dropping it would be tantamount to treason.

    Maybe post recession NZRU revenue will climb and they'll be able to afford it again and then we'll all be wondering what we were talking about in 2009?
     
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