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Discussion in '2018 NatWest Six Nations' started by gingergenius, Mar 22, 2009.

  1. gingergenius

    gingergenius Guest

    1. Fabien Barcella
    2. Ross Ford
    3. Phil Vickery
    4. Jason White
    5. Nick Kennedy
    6. Ryan Jones
    7. John Barclay
    8. Andy Powell
    9. (Bergamasco) Tomas O'Leary
    10. Ronan O'Gara
    11. Shane Williams
    12. Gonzalo Canale
    13. Yannick Jauzion
    14. Leigh Halfpenny
    15. Rob Kearney
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  3. Hall

    Hall Guest

  4. monkeypigeon

    monkeypigeon Guest

    Yeah, I agree with most of that, but definitely not Kennedy who should have kept his place and not Borthwick. Was happy with Halfpenny too considering his age.

    Rob Kearney disappointed me. alot Don't know where his sense of adventure went.
  5. Sir Speedy

    Sir Speedy Guest

    Swap O'Leary (who only the blindest Munster fans ever hyped) for Blair or Phillips, Kennedy for Borthwick and Halfpenny for Heymans and I'd agree whole-heartedly.
  6. shtove

    shtove Guest

    These are (mostly) non-Lions picks?

    You can have a player not lighting up a game, and yet doing what matters when it matters and winning the Slam - ROG in the Millennium.

    Or a player who's told not to risk it, like Kearney. Plenty steam left in the kettle.

    The one player in that list who was really found out is Powell. Busted.

    Vickery was busted a couple of years ago, so he hasn't underperformed.
  7. dundeesmiffy

    dundeesmiffy Guest

    :(, that list makes me sad.

    The only ones that surprised me were Hugo Southwell and Ben Cairns.
  8. King_D'Arcy

    King_D'Arcy Guest

    I won't hear a bad word said about Rob Kearney.

    And putting Nick Kennedy in there is a complete travesty. I don't recall any hype being made over him.
  9. Charles

    Charles Guest

    Barcella has been good. Very good scrummager and very mobile on the pitch. Has to work on his handling a bit but a good find for France. Jauzion and Heymans have been ****. They're on their knees, bur they'll be there for the season finals...
  10. gingergenius

    gingergenius Guest

    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Sir. Speedy @ Mar 22 2009, 01:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
    Yeah fair enough. Still, Borthwick's a better all round player than Kennedy.
  11. An Tarbh

    An Tarbh Guest

    I think Goode and Ellis as well must be in there instead of O'Gara and O'Leary.
  12. An Tarbh

    An Tarbh Guest

    and Danielli for Halfpenny.
  13. gingergenius

    gingergenius Guest

    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (An Tarbh @ Mar 22 2009, 09:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
    apart from no-one ever rated Goode; and Ellis had a good tournament.

    in hindsight I'd swap Blair for O'Leary, but I was making the point that I think Stringer and Reddan are better scrum halves...
  14. Hall

    Hall Guest

    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gingergenius @ Mar 22 2009, 09:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
    Yeah fair enough. Still, Borthwick's a better all round player than Kennedy.

    Defies belief really...
  15. I'd give the 15 shirt to Clement Poitrenaud, a player who consistently fails to live up to expectations. While Kearney wasn't as good as either Byrne or Armitage in the tournament, he was far from poor.

    Just so as not to be accused of Irish bias for arguing the selection of Kearney, I'd consider putting Gordon D'arcy in at 12. He's a shadow of the player he was 4 years ago between losing the ball/giving away penalties in contact and not offering much in attack. D'arcy didn't bring anything to the team when he replaced Paddy Wallace. Ireland need to find a new centre partner for O'Driscoll. The sooner Cave and Earls get a chance the better.
  16. dundeesmiffy

    dundeesmiffy Guest

    Borthwick realized, "Here, if I don't pull my finger out I might not get to play for England anymore, I am a dinosaur", so he started playing well, I'd still pick Kennedy over him, mainly because he can do all the (basic) passing Borthwick does and he can score tries, and oh yeah, they don't have to bring in flanker to do his line-out jumping for him, not to say anything bad about Tom Croft.

    James Haskell was in fantastic form, if he falls out of favour for international duty for going to play for Stade I will hunt down Martin Johnstone and strangle him in his sleep. It's selfish.

    Hugo Southwell came into the 6N on amazing form, and blew it :(

    Mike Blair had a good few games but he's recently taken to playing 40 minutes of good rugby and 20 minutes of mediocre rugby before he's taken off. I think he's bearing the brunt of the Scotland teams lack of effort. Basically, he's working too hard to compensate for the fact we keep dropping the ball and getting nervous when we realize we can't score tries because for 70% of a game we are WATING TO BE SCORED AGAINST AND "DOING THE BEST WE CAN" BY GETTING MOSSY TO KNOCK OVER A COUPLE OF THREE POINTERS, THIS WILL NOT DO.

    Basically what I'm trying to say is, Frank Hadden was this years most notable under performer.
  17. An Tarbh

    An Tarbh Guest

    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (dundeesmiffy @ Mar 22 2009, 04:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
    He can coach this lot then.
  18. dundeesmiffy

    dundeesmiffy Guest

    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (An Tarbh @ Mar 22 2009, 04:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
    He can coach this lot then.

    Aye, he's very adept at keeping us exactly where we are.
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