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Double Dip Recession, ConDems and sniffling Ed
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<blockquote data-quote="j&#039;nuh" data-source="post: 499227" data-attributes="member: 55446"><p>"Socialists think that everybody is equal.</p><p>...</p><p>Socialism paints every individual with the same brush..."</p><p></p><p>Do I have to point out the hypocrisy, or?</p><p></p><p>Socialists don't believe what you say they do. Socialists (and most people, for that matter) will say that people should be equal in the eyes of the law, but it would be silly to believe everyone was exactly equal. In other words, your premises that socialists believe that everyone is equal is wrong and therefore your argument is not <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soundness" target="_blank">sound</a>.</p><p></p><p>I'm not a socialist, but I do share their belief that the current system is too lenient on the rich. I mainly believe this because having wealth <em>generates</em> wealth. For example, on the smallest of scales, I was talking last night with a friend about our respective positions: we've had pretty much equal grades throughout education, study at the same university, have as much work experience as each other, but since my parents have a bit more money, I've been able to take driving lessons which opens up more job opportunities. I did nothing more than my friend to deserve these lessons, I just fell out of the right vagina. Similarly, all other things being equal, do you think it's easier to get an apprenticeship/internship as the son of a multinational CEO, or as the son of a local grocer? Do you think getting a £50 parking ticket harms a billionaire as equally as it does an unemployed person? The system reeks of unfairness.</p><p></p><p>Is it really fair that Rooney gets as much money in a week as a teacher would in 5+ years? Can you <em>really</em> say that the teacher just hasn't worked as hard as Rooney has for his money?</p><p></p><p>I don't mind having a meritocratic system, but the current system is more of a geographical and biological lottery.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="j'nuh, post: 499227, member: 55446"] "Socialists think that everybody is equal. ... Socialism paints every individual with the same brush..." Do I have to point out the hypocrisy, or? Socialists don't believe what you say they do. Socialists (and most people, for that matter) will say that people should be equal in the eyes of the law, but it would be silly to believe everyone was exactly equal. In other words, your premises that socialists believe that everyone is equal is wrong and therefore your argument is not [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soundness"]sound[/URL]. I'm not a socialist, but I do share their belief that the current system is too lenient on the rich. I mainly believe this because having wealth [I]generates[/I] wealth. For example, on the smallest of scales, I was talking last night with a friend about our respective positions: we've had pretty much equal grades throughout education, study at the same university, have as much work experience as each other, but since my parents have a bit more money, I've been able to take driving lessons which opens up more job opportunities. I did nothing more than my friend to deserve these lessons, I just fell out of the right vagina. Similarly, all other things being equal, do you think it's easier to get an apprenticeship/internship as the son of a multinational CEO, or as the son of a local grocer? Do you think getting a £50 parking ticket harms a billionaire as equally as it does an unemployed person? The system reeks of unfairness. Is it really fair that Rooney gets as much money in a week as a teacher would in 5+ years? Can you [I]really[/I] say that the teacher just hasn't worked as hard as Rooney has for his money? I don't mind having a meritocratic system, but the current system is more of a geographical and biological lottery. [/QUOTE]
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