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<blockquote data-quote="dullonien" data-source="post: 254028"><p>How can he compare the 'full set of rules' where hands in the ruck and an offiside line at the tackle (almost impossible to referee) are being used when these aren't even used in the Super 14 / Tri Nations! Comparing the ruck retention stats between lower leagues and top competitions / internationals can't be done! There's less skill and therefore the % of rucks retained by the attcking team is going to reduce. Stupid.</p><p></p><p>At the end of the day, it's obvious what ELV's have brought to the table, the only questions are whether we stick with them to see if things change (maybe the way England played in their final 3 6 nations games showes the way they can be played even by a traditinally 'boring' team, no offence), or do we scrap the majority of them and get back to 'proper' rugby. I personally vote to scrapping a couple, retaining the others.</p><p></p><p>Referees haven't been helping either imo. The rule for going off your feet at a ruck which the IRB wanted improving, has been stupidly refereed. I understand the reasons, so a player can't cocoon the ball, guaranteeing the ball, but when a player comes in to clear out, only to accidentally miss/miss calculate the force needed and go flying over the top get's penalised, I don't get it! As long as said player doesn't get in the way of the ball, what's the matter? It just ends up penalising the attackling team, reducing the nice free flowing rugby the IRB want to promote.</p><p></p><p>Just one more thing, why are you SH guys like Fushitsusha calling a penalty a 'full arm penalty', what other kind is there?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="dullonien, post: 254028"] How can he compare the 'full set of rules' where hands in the ruck and an offiside line at the tackle (almost impossible to referee) are being used when these aren't even used in the Super 14 / Tri Nations! Comparing the ruck retention stats between lower leagues and top competitions / internationals can't be done! There's less skill and therefore the % of rucks retained by the attcking team is going to reduce. Stupid. At the end of the day, it's obvious what ELV's have brought to the table, the only questions are whether we stick with them to see if things change (maybe the way England played in their final 3 6 nations games showes the way they can be played even by a traditinally 'boring' team, no offence), or do we scrap the majority of them and get back to 'proper' rugby. I personally vote to scrapping a couple, retaining the others. Referees haven't been helping either imo. The rule for going off your feet at a ruck which the IRB wanted improving, has been stupidly refereed. I understand the reasons, so a player can't cocoon the ball, guaranteeing the ball, but when a player comes in to clear out, only to accidentally miss/miss calculate the force needed and go flying over the top get's penalised, I don't get it! As long as said player doesn't get in the way of the ball, what's the matter? It just ends up penalising the attackling team, reducing the nice free flowing rugby the IRB want to promote. Just one more thing, why are you SH guys like Fushitsusha calling a penalty a 'full arm penalty', what other kind is there? [/QUOTE]
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