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<blockquote data-quote="Ragey Erasmus" data-source="post: 1070642" data-attributes="member: 56232"><p>With Hartley as Captain, England went unbeaten for nearly 2 years with worse players than we have now. Since Farrell has been captain, WC semi final aside, we have been on a downward trend scoring less, conceding more, giving away more penalties, throwing away leads, failing to claw back leads and all round regressing as a side. This is with a supposedly superior set of players.</p><p></p><p>Not putting all that on Farrell's shoulders but I can't think of moments you can point to and say "there's evidence of him being a good captain". The people who are recognised as great captains, you can see this on field quite regularly. We just don't see it with Farrell. We don't see him steadying the ship when things start going bad (in fact he often makes it worse), we don't see him getting a handle on discipline, England have rarely been able to wrest control of a game back once it has started sliding. He's never been able to sway refs or influence them our way so the question is just what exactly can people point to he has done as a captain to make it worth him having the position? If all he offers is drive and motivation, he doesn't need to be captain to do that. Captain requires decision making, control over the team, swaying the ref etc and Farrell does none of those.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ragey Erasmus, post: 1070642, member: 56232"] With Hartley as Captain, England went unbeaten for nearly 2 years with worse players than we have now. Since Farrell has been captain, WC semi final aside, we have been on a downward trend scoring less, conceding more, giving away more penalties, throwing away leads, failing to claw back leads and all round regressing as a side. This is with a supposedly superior set of players. Not putting all that on Farrell's shoulders but I can't think of moments you can point to and say "there's evidence of him being a good captain". The people who are recognised as great captains, you can see this on field quite regularly. We just don't see it with Farrell. We don't see him steadying the ship when things start going bad (in fact he often makes it worse), we don't see him getting a handle on discipline, England have rarely been able to wrest control of a game back once it has started sliding. He's never been able to sway refs or influence them our way so the question is just what exactly can people point to he has done as a captain to make it worth him having the position? If all he offers is drive and motivation, he doesn't need to be captain to do that. Captain requires decision making, control over the team, swaying the ref etc and Farrell does none of those. [/QUOTE]
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