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Really exciting talent….cue the selection of Ludlow and Ewels
Really exciting talent….cue the selection of Ludlow and Ewels
Yes it is and I'll admit I'm one of the most. But we had years of coaching instability under Jones and it showed. Borthwick has basically been in the job less than 2 years and his first since the WC. Already we have same issues. If Wigs was promoted as part of a settled, experienced team then maybe I'd agree. Instead, he's being promoted as part of a team that is either part time, new or lacking experience. Maybe we're all wrong, but the current situation doesn't scream positivity.Wigglesworth does seem over promoted. However, we're judging from the outside. If he's genuinely the most influential of Borthwick's coaching group then perhaps it is justified?
Maybe, maybe not, but jeez this particular thread is so relentlessly negative.
Just FTRUltimately, it's a results based business, so if England win then Borthwick will be vindicated. However, if they lose and look lost and confused like they have done in the past, then the coaching setup will obviously be a contributing factor.
I find these stats can be quite skewed by who we end up playing in the summer and autumn tours. If SB had toured Argentina or Australia (for example) these extra wins look good compared to going to NZ or SA.Just FTR
Borthwick is currently W;13 / D:0 / L11; so a win ratio of 54.2%
This puts him above Andy Robinson, and only Andy Robinson in terms of England head coaches since Geoff Cooke took over in 1988.
Yes, his win ratio is (slightly) worse than Brian Ashton (54.5%) and Martin Johnson (55.3%), let alone Eddie Jones' 2nd half (57.7%).
For me personally, he's still got a little grace from reaching par in the RWC; but he'll need better than 50% win ratio this season.
Wigglesworth does seem over promoted. However, we're judging from the outside. If he's genuinely the most influential of Borthwick's coaching group then perhaps it is justified?
Maybe, maybe not, but jeez this particular thread is so relentlessly negative.
Yeah Care said the same thing on the BBC podcast - this new structure was designed so that they would be available every game for goodness sakeHe also said there'll be no EPS players in round 6, which is gonna be a big blow to some sides - Tigers going away to Sarries, Sale away at Bath, Quins away at Chiefs
Then Care lied (ETA: or I mis-understood you) - because that was never, ever the case.Yeah Care said the same thing on the BBC podcast - this new structure was designed so that they would be available every game for goodness sake
Care just said they weren't available. My memory was that this new system was supposed to mean that intl players were av all year round, but that may be me misrememberingThen Care lied (ETA: or I mis-inderstood you) - because that was never, ever the case.
There was always still going to be clashes between premiership matches, and international warm-up matches.