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England: a brief player-by-player summary

j'nuh

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Thought I'd put some small thoughts up on every player to appear in the tournament for England. Forwards now, I'll complete it for the back line hopefully tomorrow. Feel free to add your own summary, or to rip my comments to shreds. :p

Looseheads

Joe Marler - I think Marler's performances have been very understated. As one of his biggest detractors in recent years, I really think he's finally come of age. Gave away one penalty in four games, which shows he didn't struggle in scrum or loose. Made 24 tackles and only missed one. 96% is a fantastic tackle percentage for a prop, considering outside backs will look to take props on. (By comparison, Vunipola made 19 tackles and missed 5 for around 80% tackle rate.) Has become a very able deputy to Corbisiero imo.

Mako Vunipola - A little less impressed with Mako. His bulk means he can carry very well for a prop, but I think he needs to shed some excess weight to really step up from here. I would certainly sacrifice some of that carrying power for some extra mobility. As noted above, backs find it much easier taking on Vunipola than Marler. He also gave away 4 penalties (3 against Italy) in the much fewer minutes he spent on the field, and struggled more in the scrum than Marler did.

Hookers

Dylan Hartley - all-round, pretty solid. Can't help but feel that he's the weak link in the pack though due to a positional weakness for England. Gave away too many penalties (6) for me. That said, I cannot accuse him for a lack of work rate, as he certainly got involved, and the lineout was solid with him on. Definitely our first-choice hooker and should start in the summer when available.

Tom Youngs - if every other part of his game was solid, I simply wouldn't take him to New Zealand on the account that his lineout was absolutely terrible. But even his all-round game didn't get going compared to other years. Big improvement needed from him for me to consider him above Ward now. I'd be inclined to give Ward a few games in the summer anyway, on the account that extra competition is always healthy.

Tightheads

Dave Wilson - Like Marler, I think Wilson's performances have been understated. Definitely our best carrying front rower, good feet for a guy of his size, and easily our best scrummaging tighthead. Starts in the summer for me.

Dan Cole - Disappointing. Missed tackles, struggled in the scrum, and gave away a couple of penalties in his two starts. Not as influential in the loose as in the past. After stalling in his progress last year, he's taken steps backwards this year for me. Some of it must be down to the crazy number of minutes he's being forced to play. I would give him a rest this summer.

Henry Thomas - Was limited to very short cameos, enough that I can't say I noticed a whole lot about what he did, good or bad.

Second row

Joe Launchbury - Absolutely fantastic. Second only to Brown imo. He does everything: high tackle count and not too many missed (45/5); high work rate; mobile around the field; freakishly athletic; menace on the opposition ruck and supports the team's rucks well. My ever-so-slight detraction is that I would like to see him carry a little more. First name on the team sheet for me.

Courtney Lawes - Great tournament, although not quite on the level of consistency of Launchbury imo. Ran the lineout well enough for us not to miss Parling (ignoring the times when Youngs was on the field). My biggest compliment for him is that he provided the perfect foil for Launchbury in that his carrying was effective all the way through the tournament. Like Launchbury, had a high work rate and a high tackle count, although missed a few more. Starts in the summer.

Dave Attwood - I don't see how we can keep him on the bench. He demonstrated an extra level of physicality that would add to our scrum, maul and carrying. Makes his tackles and is no slouch around the field. I can't see past Launchbury moving to 6 and playing Lawes and Attwood in the second row.

Flankers

Tom Wood - The biggest jack-of-all-trades in the squad. High tackle count, useful in the lineout, good breakdown skills for a 6, made a decent number of runs. And yet, I don't think he has shown any outstanding traits. Well worth a place in the 23, but as mooted above, Launchbury to 6 and Attwood into the side (who certainly does have particular strengths) seems to me like a way of improving the starting XV. Would this cause any imbalances in the team after losing a player that does so much? I am not entirely sure to be honest. I'd take the risk because I think there could be a high pay-off.

Chris Robshaw - Another player whose tournament has been understated imo. He's far too important to England to drop imo. If you look at the stats, it's eye-opening in how involved he gets. I like having a forward who passes as much as he does, putting other forwards into space where necessary. I like his tackle count and his break down work. He might not make a lot of yardage, but he certainly gets involved in the carrying. He might not hit the gain line as much as some of the better carriers, but he recycles the ball fast enough to keep momentum going.

Tom Johnson - Very limited game time, can't say much about his performances.

Number 8

Billy Vunipola - Devastating runner but has a lower than average work rate for an international 8. We have a pack that works around this, so it's not a major liability. So really it comes down to what you want in an 8. I still like the thought of him as a player to come on to run at tired legs, especially as he'll then become a major try-scoring threat and Wood coming on for Attwood at around the same time rebalances the work rate.

Ben Morgan - I would argue that Morgan had a slightly better tournament than Vunipola. Morgan's not as destructive in the carry as Vunipola (or even an older Morgan), but Morgan has come a long way in his all-round game in the last year. His work rate is now nearing the levels of Faletau, and I've seen a big improvement in his rugby intelligence. He has fantastic hands that keep the flow of a move going, meaning that he can stand within a backline, draw defenders and release. Starts in the summer for me.

Forwards for the summer (outside of the final):

1. Corbisiero/Marler
2. Hartley
3. Wilson
4. Lawes
5. Attwood
6. Launchbury
7. Robshaw
8. Morgan

16. Ward/Webber
17. Marler/Vunipola
18. Thomas (Cole normally, but the long-term benefits of giving Cole a rest outweigh the short-term benefits of including him)
19. Wood
20. Vunipola
 
Missed tackles are something of a red herring, we all know that. Impeding a key ball carrier and slowing him down to allow someone to carry out the tackle is better than stopping the game behind the gainline. The issue with Cole and Vunipola wasn't missed tackles, it was their scrummaging. It is possible the new rules disadvantage both players - very true of Vunipola I feel, Cole's hard to judge at the moment. If Vunipola doesn't pick up his scrummaging, he is definite third choice and looking below him at any up and comers. That's the big thing to note. Cole won three turnovers in his two games, that's pretty influential if you ask me, a choice between him and Wilson is a form/skillset call for me at the moment and I wouldn't make any big shouts on that either way atm. Cole will tour if fit, that's a given. We probably can't beat NZ without him in the 23 and he will be rested from the injury layoff.

Likewise Youngs is probably going to be involved. Maybe not if he continues to misfire and someone really steps up in a midweek game/first test, but that's about it. Right or wrong, Lancaster feels that Youngs has enough credit in the bank to persevere with.
 
Moving Lauchbury and Attwood out of their current roles because they've worked so well in them seems against the point.

Don't agree wrt Wilson. Performed very well against Wales but was a liability in the loose against Ireland. Cole had a disappointing tournament but he deserves faith, in particular because he is one of few breakdown specialists we have in the pack compared to ball carriers.
 
I agree with everything you say except moving Launchbury to 6 and bringing in Attwood - Attwoods impact off the bench has been incredible, leave him there.
 
I think the trouble is that people were engineering a fantasy about Dan's strength as a scrummager - I don't think he's ever really been a dominant one.
Leicester's scrum as a unit is very strong, and England "manshamed" Ireland a couple of years ago but other than that there aren't really any examples of him properly dominating anyone -i.e eking out penalties at will.
His relative mediocrity as a scrummager at international level has been highlighted since the law changes. Clearly fatigue has further hindered his effectiveness there - any elsewhere - too.

I agree with Peat that the choice between him and Davey is simply horses for courses.

Being able to move Launchbury to 6 and have Lawes and Attwood in the second row is a nice option to have - not to start with though IMO.
 
Jeff Probyn talked about Dan coles scrummaging on Talksport at the start fo the 6nations - because he got done over in France. he rates him highly and said the issue with france is the props are small and Cole struggles against small props now we have the touch. Because he has to set too close and then adjust his feet after the engage. Against bigger props he's good.

Again, on sunday he was saying Cole being out is a big issue as he doesn't feel we have the depth at tight head.

Lets be frank though it's not all down to just the prop is it, the 2nd Row and flanker are all have a huge part to play in the unit. If they dont' work together no prop will hold it.
 
That's a basic principle of wrestling - short levers are better on the whole. The same goes for most things strength related.

I'm not saying Cole is a bad scrummager - just that at international level he is supremely ordinary.
Cole is the second best scrummaging English TH with Daylight in third.
 
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