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2024 Guinness Six Nations
England are they any good
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<blockquote data-quote="Goodey" data-source="post: 843339" data-attributes="member: 69270"><p><a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/39249287" target="_blank">http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/39249287</a></p><p></p><p>It says compare, but all Jerry does is chat a bit. I'm going to compare.</p><p></p><p>1. Woodman v <strong>Vunipola</strong></p><p></p><p>If you need a solid technical operator then Woodman is your man. But with the strength of this pack I don't really. Mako gives us so many options in attacking play.</p><p></p><p>2. <strong>Thompson </strong>v Hartley</p><p></p><p>Again choosing the more mobile player over the set piece specialist, but Thompson had great lineout figures too.</p><p></p><p>3. <strong>Vickery </strong>v Cole</p><p></p><p>Even though I feel Cole is unfairly maligned, the article says he doesn't carry well even though he's scored 3 tries in the last year, Vickery is one of the best scrummaging props England and the Lions have had.</p><p></p><p>4. <strong>Johnson </strong>v Launchbury</p><p></p><p>Best lock of all time vs Launchbury is a bit rough on Launchbury.</p><p></p><p>5. Kay v <strong>Lawes</strong></p><p></p><p>Kay was an effective workhorse whose workrate looks pretty average compared to England's modern dynamic locks. Would have Kruis, Launchbury or Itoje here.</p><p></p><p>6. <strong>Hill </strong>v Itoje</p><p></p><p>Itoje is a potential great but for now is filling in the #6 spot for Robshaw, himself a poor man's Hill.</p><p></p><p>7. <strong>Back </strong>v Haskell</p><p></p><p>Pfft. Next.</p><p></p><p>8. <strong>Dallaglio </strong>v Vunipola</p><p></p><p>Billy is getting a rough break here again, he is 24 but you could already make the argument he is more impactful and more versatile than Dallaglio was. He just doesn't have the great man's body of work.</p><p></p><p>9. <strong>Dawson </strong>v Youngs</p><p></p><p>Youngs is another harshly treated England player but he blows hot and cold.</p><p></p><p>10. <strong>Wilkinson </strong>v Ford</p><p></p><p>If you put the best parts of Ford (kicking out of hand, footwork, distribution) with the best parts of Farrell (goal kicking, defense, tenacity) you'd have Johnny Wilkinson. Both good players who don't hold a candle to the 2003 vintage 10.</p><p></p><p>11. <strong>Robinson </strong>v Watson/Daly</p><p></p><p>Again the new players here perhaps do have an advantage in . But it's not enough to make up for the number of defenders Robinson left lying confused on the floor.</p><p></p><p>12. <strong>Greenwood </strong>v Farrell</p><p></p><p>Since I have Wilkinson in the side I don't really need Farrell to kick, so I'll take Greenwood's extra playmaking skill. But this is close and I would expect to see Farrell take over soon.</p><p></p><p>13. Tindall v <strong>Joseph</strong></p><p></p><p>One that the modern team can be locked in for. Joseph has looked so good in attack over the last 18 months it's easy to forget how efficient a defender he is, so he more than makes up for Tindall's physicality.</p><p></p><p>14. Cohen v <strong>Nowell</strong></p><p></p><p>I'll stick my neck out and claim that despite his try count Cohen was little more than a strong runner and finisher, essentially a proto-Chris Ashton who played in a better team. Nowell has similar stamina and winger's finishing ability but also brings a useful kicking game and surprisingly effective breakdown work.</p><p></p><p>15. <strong>Lewsey </strong>v Brown</p><p></p><p>The incisive, slippery Mike Brown of 3 years ago would have a good shout, but not any more. In a year's time we could well see Watson or Daly take this spot, however.</p><p>The 2017 vintage take 4/15 and I find myself being generous to them. But so many of them are just coming into their prime. Quite a few (most likely Farrell, Vunipola and Daly IMO) could be better placed to challenge the 2003 side in five years' time.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Goodey, post: 843339, member: 69270"] [url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/39249287[/url] It says compare, but all Jerry does is chat a bit. I'm going to compare. 1. Woodman v [B]Vunipola[/B] If you need a solid technical operator then Woodman is your man. But with the strength of this pack I don't really. Mako gives us so many options in attacking play. 2. [B]Thompson [/B]v Hartley Again choosing the more mobile player over the set piece specialist, but Thompson had great lineout figures too. 3. [B]Vickery [/B]v Cole Even though I feel Cole is unfairly maligned, the article says he doesn't carry well even though he's scored 3 tries in the last year, Vickery is one of the best scrummaging props England and the Lions have had. 4. [B]Johnson [/B]v Launchbury Best lock of all time vs Launchbury is a bit rough on Launchbury. 5. Kay v [B]Lawes[/B] Kay was an effective workhorse whose workrate looks pretty average compared to England's modern dynamic locks. Would have Kruis, Launchbury or Itoje here. 6. [B]Hill [/B]v Itoje Itoje is a potential great but for now is filling in the #6 spot for Robshaw, himself a poor man's Hill. 7. [B]Back [/B]v Haskell Pfft. Next. 8. [B]Dallaglio [/B]v Vunipola Billy is getting a rough break here again, he is 24 but you could already make the argument he is more impactful and more versatile than Dallaglio was. He just doesn't have the great man's body of work. 9. [B]Dawson [/B]v Youngs Youngs is another harshly treated England player but he blows hot and cold. 10. [B]Wilkinson [/B]v Ford If you put the best parts of Ford (kicking out of hand, footwork, distribution) with the best parts of Farrell (goal kicking, defense, tenacity) you'd have Johnny Wilkinson. Both good players who don't hold a candle to the 2003 vintage 10. 11. [B]Robinson [/B]v Watson/Daly Again the new players here perhaps do have an advantage in . But it's not enough to make up for the number of defenders Robinson left lying confused on the floor. 12. [B]Greenwood [/B]v Farrell Since I have Wilkinson in the side I don't really need Farrell to kick, so I'll take Greenwood's extra playmaking skill. But this is close and I would expect to see Farrell take over soon. 13. Tindall v [B]Joseph[/B] One that the modern team can be locked in for. Joseph has looked so good in attack over the last 18 months it's easy to forget how efficient a defender he is, so he more than makes up for Tindall's physicality. 14. Cohen v [B]Nowell[/B] I'll stick my neck out and claim that despite his try count Cohen was little more than a strong runner and finisher, essentially a proto-Chris Ashton who played in a better team. Nowell has similar stamina and winger's finishing ability but also brings a useful kicking game and surprisingly effective breakdown work. 15. [B]Lewsey [/B]v Brown The incisive, slippery Mike Brown of 3 years ago would have a good shout, but not any more. In a year's time we could well see Watson or Daly take this spot, however. The 2017 vintage take 4/15 and I find myself being generous to them. But so many of them are just coming into their prime. Quite a few (most likely Farrell, Vunipola and Daly IMO) could be better placed to challenge the 2003 side in five years' time. [/QUOTE]
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