England EPS 2017/18 edition.

[Ragey Erasmus]

Agree with the above, otherwise it would just allow clubs the world over to put in clauses banning players from playing for international teams during international windows...

 

[ratsapprentice]

Reckon Shields might decline in that case then. Probably doesn't want any unnecessary acrimony.

 

[RedruthRFC]

Reckon Shields might decline in that case then. Probably doesn't want any unnecessary acrimony.

Given that he's flying the nest shortly, I don't see why he would be too bothered about acrimony. If he has serious designs on playing for England in the World Cup, I'd say that any potential acrimony is necessary in order to maximise his chances.

In other news, lol NZRU entitlement! I wonder if they are seeing this as a way to fuel the fire of the global season debate?

 

[ratsapprentice]

In other news, lol NZRU entitlement! I wonder if they are seeing this as a way to fuel the fire of the global season debate?

Or they just want to discourage players from leaving?

 

[RedruthRFC]

Or they just want to discourage players from leaving?

Trying to deny players the rights afforded to them by World Rugby doesn't strike me as a great way to engender loyalty.

 

[ratsapprentice]

But allowing a centrally contracted player to play for another Union after rejecting a national cap encourages it?

 

[RedruthRFC]

But allowing a centrally contracted player to play for another Union after rejecting a national cap encourages it?

As you're aware (otherwise you would have quoted me), nobody said that. Just because attempting to ride roughshod over WR rules has this consequence does mean that following them does. I was just pointing out the message that trying to block him playing sends.

 

[ratsapprentice]

I didn't quote you because there was no post between yours and my response.

I think it does, the point they're trying to make is that if you aren't part of the AB ecosystem then your personal interests aren't their interests.
It makes that point quite clearly, I think. I can't see it being actionable, but, hey-ho...

 

[Darwin]

Below is Law 9 from the World Rugby handbook (governing the release of players states the following). It's a bit wordy, but I've tried to highlight the most relevant parts. Basically players with dual eligibility (such as Shields) represent special cases. It seems the NZ Rugby Union is perfectly entitled to get a player with dual eligibility to sign a contract stating they wont play for anyone else while they are still contracted (which seems to be the case with Shields). I don't imagine we will see Shields in an England shirt until a bit later in the year...

*Player availability in circumstances of dual eligibility

9.38 When a Union enters into a written agreement with a Player that contemplates the Player representing that Union at senior or next Senior Fifteen-A-Side National Representative Team level (whether at fifteen-aside or seven-a-side Rugby), the Union may seek the Player's written agreement that the Player shall not be available for selection, attendance and/or appearance in a National Representative Team or National Squad of another Union during the term of that written agreement, including any extension thereof, provided that, prior to the execution of any such written agreement, the following conditions were satisfied:

(a) The Player had reached the age of majority. For the purposes of the Regulation(s), the age of majority shall be deemed to be acquired by a Player on his 18th birthday.

(b) Pursuant to Regulation 8, the Player was eligible to represent the senior or next senior National Representative Team of the Union with which he has entered into the written agreement and at least one other Union, (i.e., as a minimum requirement the Player had dual Union eligibility status).

(c) The Player had not represented the senior or next senior National Representative Team of any Union in any of the Matches or Tours specified in Regulation 8.3.

(d) As evidenced by completion of the standard form certification set out in Attachment 1, the Player received independent legal advice on the terms of the written agreement. In particular, the fact that in signing the written agreement the Player was acknowledging and accepting that during the course of the written agreement, and any extension thereof, he was foregoing his right to represent the senior or next senior National Representative Team of any other Union for which he may be eligible.

If, subject to compliance with the conditions set out in this Regulation 9.38, a Player's written agreement so provides, then that Player shall not be available for selection, attendance and/or appearance in a National Representative Team or National Squad of another Union during the term of the written agreement, or any extension thereof and during such period the Union with whom the Player is contracted shall have no obligation to release the Player to another Union.*

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

Guess that settles that. Next question, will Jones now decide to use actual flankers from the Prem or just stick with Robshaw, Haskell and a lock, despite that being a proven failure.

 

[Not Mike Brown's Sock]

Guess that settles that. Next question, will Jones now decide to use actual flankers from the Prem or just stick with Robshaw, Haskell and a lock, despite that being a proven failure.

Underhill, Robo and Curry on the bench me thinks

 

[will311293]

Will be interesting to see who makes that BaBas test too... with the number of players who won't be available due to Prem Play Offs.. If we assume that the likes of Wasps, Sarries, Exeter and (or) Leicester/Newcastle won't be available I'd go with.

Marler
Dunn
Sinckler
Lawes
Ewels
B Curry
Robshawe
Ross

Care
Smith
L James
Trinder
Solomona
Yarde
Brown

Bench: Obano (R Harrison) , Skivington (J Walker), Collier (Hill), Slater (Spencer), T Curry/ Underhill (Moore), Vellacott (?), Billy Burns (Freddy Burns/ R Mills?) , Lewington (?)


Difficult when you think about it but obviously some from either Newcastle or Leicester will have to come in..

 

[Not Mike Brown's Sock]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/43836215

 

[Bada-Bing!]

Yep so we can now consider Shields as part of Jones's plans for SA.

 

[Nudger]

Will be interesting to see who makes that BaBas test too... with the number of players who won't be available due to Prem Play Offs.. If we assume that the likes of Wasps, Sarries, Exeter and (or) Leicester/Newcastle won't be available I'd go with.

Marler
Dunn
Sinckler
Lawes
Ewels
B Curry
Robshawe
Ross

Care
Smith
L James
Trinder
Solomona
Yarde
Brown

Bench: Obano (R Harrison) , Skivington (J Walker), Collier (Hill), Slater (Spencer), T Curry/ Underhill (Moore), Vellacott (?), Billy Burns (Freddy Burns/ R Mills?) , Lewington (?)


Difficult when you think about it but obviously some from either Newcastle or Leicester will have to come in..

Lawes is out of the summer tour injured

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Reckon EJ will put Isiekwe at 6? He's still playing there for Sarries

 

[ratsapprentice]

Hope not.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Eddie cares not for your "hope"

6. Isiekwe, 7. Haskell, 8. Robshaw

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

This Shields guy must be good to make the AB's this worried about him joining us.

 

[Reiser99]

Seems like EJ and RFU are desperately trying to get him over. Based on EJ's picks he doesn't rate anyone really at 6 & 7 who isn't either over 30 or under 20. Shields fits in the middle.