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<blockquote data-quote="Which Tyler" data-source="post: 1003534" data-attributes="member: 73592"><p>You can't just say "Exeter are doing very well as a club - we should cap more Exeter players; you need to identify who.</p><p>IMO Exeter have been great at getting the absolute best out of good-but-not-brilliant players. Their track record with brilliant players is... a work in progress.</p><p></p><p><strong>Hepburn</strong>, <strong>Moon</strong> & <strong>Williams</strong> simply aren't as good as their competition for England.</p><p><strong>LCD</strong> is plenty involved, but George and Hartley simply have (had) better basics. You could argue that Dunn also has better basics, (but way less international pedigree)</p><p>I'm coming round to <strong>Jonny Hill </strong>since the restart - but (a bit like Ewels) I don't get the impression he'll manage to step up to international rugby well - but (less like Ewels) he's earned a shot at proving me wrong. He should certainly be in the conversation. I'm not sure he's earned a shot ahead of or top 4 locks before this Autumn though.</p><p>In the backrow - Exeter's players are hamstrung by the specific system that Exeter use. Baxter just sets them up differently to any other coach. I feel that if <strong>Simmonds</strong> had been playing flanker for the last 6 years, he'd have been capped earlier, and had a much better chance at staying in the team. As it is, he's in a position of real strength, and his attributes are better suited to a position he doesn't play.</p><p></p><p>Much has been made of <strong>Maunder</strong> - but he's never kicked on. He's reaching that point that Spencer was in about 5 years ago. He's losing too much development time by not being first choice - he's also not quite earning first choice where he is.</p><p><strong>Joe Simmonds</strong> should (IMO) be England's 3rd choice FH - maybe 2nd if he takes to international rugby well - Eddie only takes 2 FHs, one of whom is now the captain. Behind that he likes brining in apprentices at FH. Unfortunately for him, 3 years ago, Smith was way ahead of him, whilst being 2 years younger.</p><p><strong>Devoto</strong> should have been involved more - and may have been were it not for injuries</p><p><strong>Slade</strong> is plenty involved - but plays in a position of strength for England (and, as has been said before - had he spent the last 6 years playing in his more natural position, he'd have 50+ caps and be automatic starter by now)</p><p><strong>Nowell</strong> is plenty involved - but plays in a position of strength for England (and, as has been said before - his natural attributes probably suit a different position better, and he IS hamstrung by his pace on the wing; and however much good he does, picking him means dropping at least one of May, Watson or Daly, all of whom are or have been world-class on the wing).</p><p></p><p></p><p>As ever - it's not just "who deserves to be picked" but also "who should be dropped to make room"</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Which Tyler, post: 1003534, member: 73592"] You can't just say "Exeter are doing very well as a club - we should cap more Exeter players; you need to identify who. IMO Exeter have been great at getting the absolute best out of good-but-not-brilliant players. Their track record with brilliant players is... a work in progress. [B]Hepburn[/B], [B]Moon[/B] & [B]Williams[/B] simply aren't as good as their competition for England. [B]LCD[/B] is plenty involved, but George and Hartley simply have (had) better basics. You could argue that Dunn also has better basics, (but way less international pedigree) I'm coming round to [B]Jonny Hill [/B]since the restart - but (a bit like Ewels) I don't get the impression he'll manage to step up to international rugby well - but (less like Ewels) he's earned a shot at proving me wrong. He should certainly be in the conversation. I'm not sure he's earned a shot ahead of or top 4 locks before this Autumn though. In the backrow - Exeter's players are hamstrung by the specific system that Exeter use. Baxter just sets them up differently to any other coach. I feel that if [B]Simmonds[/B] had been playing flanker for the last 6 years, he'd have been capped earlier, and had a much better chance at staying in the team. As it is, he's in a position of real strength, and his attributes are better suited to a position he doesn't play. Much has been made of [B]Maunder[/B] - but he's never kicked on. He's reaching that point that Spencer was in about 5 years ago. He's losing too much development time by not being first choice - he's also not quite earning first choice where he is. [B]Joe Simmonds[/B] should (IMO) be England's 3rd choice FH - maybe 2nd if he takes to international rugby well - Eddie only takes 2 FHs, one of whom is now the captain. Behind that he likes brining in apprentices at FH. Unfortunately for him, 3 years ago, Smith was way ahead of him, whilst being 2 years younger. [B]Devoto[/B] should have been involved more - and may have been were it not for injuries [B]Slade[/B] is plenty involved - but plays in a position of strength for England (and, as has been said before - had he spent the last 6 years playing in his more natural position, he'd have 50+ caps and be automatic starter by now) [B]Nowell[/B] is plenty involved - but plays in a position of strength for England (and, as has been said before - his natural attributes probably suit a different position better, and he IS hamstrung by his pace on the wing; and however much good he does, picking him means dropping at least one of May, Watson or Daly, all of whom are or have been world-class on the wing). As ever - it's not just "who deserves to be picked" but also "who should be dropped to make room" [/QUOTE]
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