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<blockquote data-quote="Which Tyler" data-source="post: 798909" data-attributes="member: 73592"><p>You're both right - an utterly preposterous thought process and I apologise unreservedly; it was against Ireland, not Wales:</p><p>Joseph kicks the ball on England's 22; Brown and Nowell pretty level on his shoulder; Youngs out of shot and fairly well behind the ball.</p><p>[ATTACH]4311[/ATTACH]</p><p>18m later Brown is categorically ahead of Nowell, Youngs has caught them both; Farrell is up with them (was offside in the first frame); Robshaw is starting to drop away.</p><p>[ATTACH]4310[/ATTACH]</p><p>10m on and the distance between them has changed minimally - when placing the ovals, I did have to separate Nowell a little further than Brown & Youngs, but that could easily be camera angle. JJ has overtaken Robshaw.</p><p>[ATTACH]4309[/ATTACH]</p><p>Irish 10m line; Nowell has dropped back further; his pace much of a muchness with Farrell - incidentally, the ball is passed the Irish 22; and they're all still flat out. JJ closing a little; Robshaw dropping to the edge of shot.</p><p>[ATTACH]4308[/ATTACH]</p><p>Irish 22m line; Youngs comfortably ahead of all of them, Farrell and Nowell still neck and neck; ball still not fielded yet [is 5m ahead of Irish FB], but I'll allow that the breaks have started to be applied. out of shot - JJ has faded slower and towards the touch line to cover a scrambled clearance.</p><p>[ATTACH]4307[/ATTACH]</p><p></p><p></p><p>My apologies for taking my time to put it together - I'd though it was against Wales; so watched through that match (fast forwarding on Youtube is a right pain in the arse) - then the same with the France match; then the Ireland one until I found the event. It was also over a longer distance than my memory from 3 months ago claimed - snapshots taking place over 18; 10; 10 & 18 metres; I will also note that Brown had a touch more momentum as of the first pic; though not that much (IMO).</p><p></p><p></p><p>I presented 1 recollection; and specified it for anyone to check against their memory, or recordings if they could be bothered. I didn't claim it as an absolute and everyone must be wrong because I said it - that's what's been claimed against me. My recollection was wrongly placed; but broadly accurate in its content. Everything else in my original post was given and presented as opinion; my follow-up post continued in that theme.</p><p>At worst; you could say that my memory was faulty - at no stage did I present an opinion as a fact, or rubbish someone else's opinion, or them selves for holding said opinion. I certainly don't regard holding an opinion that a very fast SH is faster than a mediocre paced FB or fairly slow winger is extra-ordinary enough to require an extra-ordinary amount of proof, rather than just chalking it down to a matter of opinion and acknowledging that different people are allowed different opinions.</p><p>ETA: Oh, I can also be accused of hyperbole - but hey, this is the internet, and everyone does it; I freely admitted as much earlier. I'd also claim mitigation here that camera angles do exacerbate the extra speed of Brown and Youngs; though they still cover more ground in the same time, going by pitch markings - would account for some of the hyperbole.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Which Tyler, post: 798909, member: 73592"] You're both right - an utterly preposterous thought process and I apologise unreservedly; it was against Ireland, not Wales: Joseph kicks the ball on England's 22; Brown and Nowell pretty level on his shoulder; Youngs out of shot and fairly well behind the ball. [ATTACH]4311.vB[/ATTACH] 18m later Brown is categorically ahead of Nowell, Youngs has caught them both; Farrell is up with them (was offside in the first frame); Robshaw is starting to drop away. [ATTACH]4310.vB[/ATTACH] 10m on and the distance between them has changed minimally - when placing the ovals, I did have to separate Nowell a little further than Brown & Youngs, but that could easily be camera angle. JJ has overtaken Robshaw. [ATTACH]4309.vB[/ATTACH] Irish 10m line; Nowell has dropped back further; his pace much of a muchness with Farrell - incidentally, the ball is passed the Irish 22; and they're all still flat out. JJ closing a little; Robshaw dropping to the edge of shot. [ATTACH]4308.vB[/ATTACH] Irish 22m line; Youngs comfortably ahead of all of them, Farrell and Nowell still neck and neck; ball still not fielded yet [is 5m ahead of Irish FB], but I'll allow that the breaks have started to be applied. out of shot - JJ has faded slower and towards the touch line to cover a scrambled clearance. [ATTACH]4307.vB[/ATTACH] My apologies for taking my time to put it together - I'd though it was against Wales; so watched through that match (fast forwarding on Youtube is a right pain in the arse) - then the same with the France match; then the Ireland one until I found the event. It was also over a longer distance than my memory from 3 months ago claimed - snapshots taking place over 18; 10; 10 & 18 metres; I will also note that Brown had a touch more momentum as of the first pic; though not that much (IMO). I presented 1 recollection; and specified it for anyone to check against their memory, or recordings if they could be bothered. I didn't claim it as an absolute and everyone must be wrong because I said it - that's what's been claimed against me. My recollection was wrongly placed; but broadly accurate in its content. Everything else in my original post was given and presented as opinion; my follow-up post continued in that theme. At worst; you could say that my memory was faulty - at no stage did I present an opinion as a fact, or rubbish someone else's opinion, or them selves for holding said opinion. I certainly don't regard holding an opinion that a very fast SH is faster than a mediocre paced FB or fairly slow winger is extra-ordinary enough to require an extra-ordinary amount of proof, rather than just chalking it down to a matter of opinion and acknowledging that different people are allowed different opinions. ETA: Oh, I can also be accused of hyperbole - but hey, this is the internet, and everyone does it; I freely admitted as much earlier. I'd also claim mitigation here that camera angles do exacerbate the extra speed of Brown and Youngs; though they still cover more ground in the same time, going by pitch markings - would account for some of the hyperbole. [/QUOTE]
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