England should adopt Australia's style

Discussion in 'Rugby League World Cup 2008' started by melon, Nov 17, 2008.

  1. melon

    melon Guest

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  3. Gay-Guy

    Gay-Guy Guest

    Does this mean that the NH players don't spend as much time wrestling with the ball carrrier...trying to turtle them?  I thought that slowing the play the ball was FUNDAMENTAL for every tackle.....the defensive line needs every milisecond they can get to reset the line, rest...before moving forward.

    Whenever the NZ Warriors struggled winning the tackle we knew it was gonna be one of those games again.  
  4. QLD

    QLD Guest

    Definetly for emphasis on defense would help, but I havent watched enough SL to know what the problem is.
  5. Javen

    Javen Guest

    England should just replace everyone except Gleeson and Peacock.
  6. Wtf im just waiting for dan's reponse should be classic since he has a pathological hatred for Australia Rugby League. :lol:

    The problem is mental, not ability, I totally maintain that. And making the league dull and monotomous like the NRL will just make things even worse. I'd be gutted if Saints started playing one up dull rugby like I see every week in the Australian league.

    At the end of the day, I'd rather Super League thrive than international rugby.
  8. melon

    melon Guest

    Ok Dan, heres the thing.

    I think you think the NRL is "dull and monotonous" because of the mere fact we are better defenders...and also because we stuff around at the ruck slowing the ball down. I completely understand this because not only have I witnessed it, there are many players who originally started in the NRL and now play in the ESL who share the same idea because of the the same reason(s).

    Overall the NRL has a greater emphasis on defence, with the same emphasis on attack (although we may do the attack part a bit better but that fact seems to be overlooked because the defence does kind of negate that, but thats alright with me...just as long as people see this)

    Who can blame us though?! Our players train 5 days per week, most of the time between 6 and 8 hours per day. That leaves more time for defence and wrestling work for the ruck. Players up there in the ESL finish just after lunch. That leaves less time for skills such as defence which seems to make the games more "dull and monotonous".

    I'm not saying the Super League competition is rubbish, I actually enjoy watching it, however I enjoying watching the NRL more because I like to be able to appreciate the fact that I know they are superior players. They are a more complete package than their northern hemisphere counterparts. Not only are they professional attackers, they are also professional defenders.
  9. Don't be fooled about Super League training hours - we're in full time too. I know this because I used to serve the players on their way home from work when I used to work in the mobile phone trade.

    I hate the PTB full stop in RL at the moment, the actual "play" of it is scruffy, and the amount of jiggery pokery that goes on is incredible. Only our referees do anything about it though, Hayne and Archer let it go on all sorts. It slows us down. One of the key things about Super League is a quick PTB - it's why Saints have been the best in the league for a decade because we had Cunningham at hooker destroying people, making 10 - 20 yards every time or getting a penalty.

    Way too much slowing down goes on.
  10. melon

    melon Guest

    Mmm I agree.

    What I want to point out to a lot of people also is that whilst Jamie Peacock and co say the ESL need to adopt Australia's style of play to compete in internationals, it won't necessarily be a good thing to the domestic competition at all. It would probably have a negative impact if anything. I say this because each competition is unique for both good and bad reasons.
    That's why I watch both. They are different competitions. If they become duplicates then I just wouldn't bother with the ESL.

    But in saying that, having better defence doesn't mean the game has to be any slower. Just as long as the play the ball issue is sorted out and there's not so much f***ing around as there is in the NRL. Too much bullshit occurs on the ground over here.
  11. Our defence is normally alright. Leeds and Saints, particularly Saints, are well known for having exceptional goal line defence. The vast majority of the squad comes from those two teams. That's why I found our shambolic capers so bizarre and hard to understand. I blame a poor coach and a lot of tiredness starting to creep in.
  12. melon

    melon Guest

    Hmmm we need come conflict.

  14. melon

    melon Guest

    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (St Helens RLFC @ Nov 18 2008, 10:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
    Except for Darren Lockyer.

    What amazes me is opposition players time and time again neglect to realise that if they rush up on Lockyer he will step them and when he decides to get rid of the ball to a backline who is expecting such a play to be made they more often than not score a try that is always included in the "try of the year" reel.
  15. It's easier said than done to stop Lockyer. He is genuine world class, probably the best player I've ever seen in the flesh. Andrew Johns used to get all the hype, but he wasn't fit to lace Lockyer's boots, IMO. I'll never forget the 2004 tri nations final. We got hammered and it was probably the second best individual display of rugby league I've ever seen, maybe even THE best.

    Quality player.
  16. Gay-Guy

    Gay-Guy Guest

    Are there any SL refs in this World Cup comp at all????? Any????? Perhaps this comp would be different if the refs were from the SL and reffing it like a SL game?

    Which makes me think....who reffed that 3N final where NZ won 24-0? Was it a British ref under British rules that the final was played under?

    I am actually all in favour of a faster play the ball interpretation. Somehow I think the NRL do rule on it quite quickly. I remember when they got rid of flopping and holding down. However the NRL coaches are very clever and train their players to wrestle when they tackle as it is the wrestling before they hit the turf that chews up time. Then while there is a bit of momentum as they hit the ground the players try and either turtle them, twist them around or twist themselves around back onside. Some teams even tried to slow down using the grapple technique on the head but that was quickly outlawed. It just seems like NRL players are well trained when it comes to these dark arts of slowing the play down at a high level.

    Most things the SL players do when comparing them to the NRL look very similar. If there is one significant difference I see between SL and NRL it would be the defensive line speed. For instance when I was watching the English D-Line speed in the semifinal we had NZ on the attack in the first half 10 metres left of the post and 5 metres from the line. NZ decide to do a simple set play. The NZ hooker dummies right to a decoy runner, turns to the left and fake passes to another decoy runner, and then gives the ball to Hohaia who scores. The whole thing about it all is that the English defensive line did not move up and crunch them. Many a time have I seen the NZ Warriors try these moves with Stacy Jones only to see him and eveyone else getting rushed and driven backwards. In fact if you watch the replay you will see that Hohaia recieves the ball a fair bit away from the line....he is ALLOWED to keep running and the momentum from all that space to run has this little guy Hohaia barging through much bigger defenders.

    Anyway apart from the defensive line speed the English look very impressive when they play. I am surprised that the English captain thinks the NRL plays are more complicated out wide where they use more decoys...I actually thought that the English had similar plays. However I suppose if they were used to marking plays out wide where there are decoy runners then Manu Vatuvei would not have scored four tries where some of them he had no one laying a hand on him.
  17. QLD

    QLD Guest

    Darren Lockyers pretty underated, people love him or hate him.. those who hate him are from NSW and they cant deny the quality player he is. Examples are that 2nd half against GB, Queensland.. could name so many highlights from his origin career, but his intercept pass in the third game in 2006 to win the game was sensational. The game vs Parramatta where he had the ball when the siren went.. (scores tied) to end up chipping the ball for Denan Kemp to gather and score (his 4th try in the match) was unbelieveable.

    Come on Dan stop giving the NRL crap.. it aint that bad. The league is not dull and monotomous. State of origins are awesome to watch, just always watch Broncos games or just any decent club who play with an attacking brand of footy. Though yeah the PTB is frustrating at times.
  18. SOO IS awesome, I love it. But the weekly matches aren't remotely that interesting.

    Gay Guy - Super League had two referees there, Ashley Klein and Steve Ganson, but the Australians will NOT use our officials. This has been a massive bugbear of mine for two years. When it's in the UK they Aussies throw their dummies out of their pram and always get their official to referee the last game, especially if it's a decided test, and we were never going to get one of our own refs down under.

    A very, very big annoyance of mine.
  19. Gay-Guy

    Gay-Guy Guest

    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (St Helens RLFC @ Nov 18 2008, 01:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
    We here in NZ are well and truly used to all sorts of weird things happening whenever we get to play the Kangaroos that we now just accept it.  The bottom line is that NO ref should ref a game if their own country is involved.  It should be neutral refs in every game.
  20. Absolutely 100% correct.
  21. melon

    melon Guest

    But our refs are from the NRL, so naturally they're the best! Why not employ their superior expertise regardless of the competing teams?!

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