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<blockquote data-quote="gingergenius" data-source="post: 279914"><p><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (snoopy snoopy dog dog @ Sep 24 2009, 04:07 PM) <a href="http://index.php?act=findpost&pid=413404" target="_blank"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div></p><p>Funds mean jack if the players aren't up to standard. England have an ageing team and not much in the way of talented kids ready to force their way in. Outside of Care, Cipriani, Goode and Lawes, I don't see much in the way of potential players who can force their way into the England XV and bring home the William Webb Ellis trophy in 2011. 2015 could be a different story seeing as England will be at home and will be backboned by the team who reached the 2009 u20 World Cup final.</p><p>[/b]</p></blockquote><p></p><p>Well, Cipriani and Tait being prime examples of young players are unreliable indicators of immediate superstardom, but I'd say we have plenty of very good players under the age of 25 in every position.</p><p></p><p>There's no shortage of talented youngsters coming through... in fact, we're in the same enviable position as France, New Zealand and South Africa when it comes to a long conveyer belt of talent. It's how they've been integrated into the team recently which has been the problem.</p><p></p><p>Pressure cracks on and Robinson decided an 18 year old Tait was the messiah, played him once and f***ed up his career for the next few years. Allen, Geraghty and a few others have also been hailed as young messiahs and been just as quickly dropped.</p><p></p><p>Then, there's the revert-to-what-you-know trick that sorted us in RWC2007. Reagan, Vickery, Shaw, Dallaglio, Corry, Gomersall, Wilkinson, Catt, Robinson...</p><p></p><p>Then, Johnson's in and we think we need to blood a very promising crop of youngsters for 2011. In come Care, Cipriani et al. The Autumn is awful, the media get very angry. So it's back to the old guys again. Welcome back Goode, Shaw, Worsley and Tindall for the 6 Nations.</p><p></p><p>England's problem is they can't make their minds up whether to have an old team or a young team. Towards the end of the 6N, we seem to have found some form of happy balance, and we were deservedly (by the end) the 2nd best team in the tournament.</p><p></p><p>Unfortunately, our biggest positives from last year were Armitage and Flutey who are out of the Autumn. Flood came on a long way and he too is injured. Tom Rees was looking like a very promising 7 until injury last year. And now JTH is injured too. Still, a team of:</p><p></p><p>1. Sheridan</p><p>2. Hartley</p><p>3. Vickery eek or someone else please!</p><p>4. Shaw</p><p>5. Croft/ Borthwick</p><p>6. Croft/ Robshaw</p><p>7. Rees/ Skinner</p><p>8. Crane</p><p>9. Care</p><p>10. Wilkinson</p><p>11. Monye</p><p>12. Hipkiss</p><p>13. Tait</p><p>14. Strettle</p><p>15. Cueto</p><p></p><p>doesn't look that bad at all.</p><p>[/QUOTE]</p>
[QUOTE="gingergenius, post: 279914"] <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (snoopy snoopy dog dog @ Sep 24 2009, 04:07 PM) [url='index.php?act=findpost&pid=413404']<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/url]</div> Funds mean jack if the players aren't up to standard. England have an ageing team and not much in the way of talented kids ready to force their way in. Outside of Care, Cipriani, Goode and Lawes, I don't see much in the way of potential players who can force their way into the England XV and bring home the William Webb Ellis trophy in 2011. 2015 could be a different story seeing as England will be at home and will be backboned by the team who reached the 2009 u20 World Cup final. [/b][/quote] Well, Cipriani and Tait being prime examples of young players are unreliable indicators of immediate superstardom, but I'd say we have plenty of very good players under the age of 25 in every position. There's no shortage of talented youngsters coming through... in fact, we're in the same enviable position as France, New Zealand and South Africa when it comes to a long conveyer belt of talent. It's how they've been integrated into the team recently which has been the problem. Pressure cracks on and Robinson decided an 18 year old Tait was the messiah, played him once and f***ed up his career for the next few years. Allen, Geraghty and a few others have also been hailed as young messiahs and been just as quickly dropped. Then, there's the revert-to-what-you-know trick that sorted us in RWC2007. Reagan, Vickery, Shaw, Dallaglio, Corry, Gomersall, Wilkinson, Catt, Robinson... Then, Johnson's in and we think we need to blood a very promising crop of youngsters for 2011. In come Care, Cipriani et al. The Autumn is awful, the media get very angry. So it's back to the old guys again. Welcome back Goode, Shaw, Worsley and Tindall for the 6 Nations. England's problem is they can't make their minds up whether to have an old team or a young team. Towards the end of the 6N, we seem to have found some form of happy balance, and we were deservedly (by the end) the 2nd best team in the tournament. Unfortunately, our biggest positives from last year were Armitage and Flutey who are out of the Autumn. Flood came on a long way and he too is injured. Tom Rees was looking like a very promising 7 until injury last year. And now JTH is injured too. Still, a team of: 1. Sheridan 2. Hartley 3. Vickery eek or someone else please! 4. Shaw 5. Croft/ Borthwick 6. Croft/ Robshaw 7. Rees/ Skinner 8. Crane 9. Care 10. Wilkinson 11. Monye 12. Hipkiss 13. Tait 14. Strettle 15. Cueto doesn't look that bad at all. [/QUOTE]
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