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<blockquote data-quote="Leonormous Boozer" data-source="post: 1064370" data-attributes="member: 45598"><p>The only one I'd really consider excluding is holding on, it's the only "forced" penalty I can think of that doesn't gain the offender's anything in the vast majority of cases. If a team continues to seal off, drop the scrum etc... it should be considered.</p><p></p><p>That analysis shows that England should have seen yellow in the third quarter of the game at the very latest. 13 penalties in a forty minute window is ridiculously poor discipline by any metric. Then when the count starts going up to 5, 6, 7... again after the yellow another warning should be given out. I'm not going to give an exact number that I want to see, leave that to the guys with all the data but including a team yellow as a part of the game and leaving it to referees interpretation of not very strict guidelines isn't what I want to see at all.</p><p></p><p></p><p>You're going to have to explain that lol.</p><p></p><p>I personally wouldn't reset but It's not a major barrier to implementing a rule that would improve the game.</p><p></p><p>Most penalties just come down to forced pressure without the ball or trying to gain an illegal advantage with it, outside of foul play and cynical play I think weighting them is a fool's errand for the most part. Stopping a try scoring opportunity is already a yellow card so this should encapsulate nearly every other penalty in the game, otherwise why have the rule? Bad discipline is bad discipline.</p><p></p><p>Basketball have a rule where 6 personal fouls in a game get you DQed, it doesn't matter if they're intentional, cynical, accidental etc... It works well.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Meh, in that scenario a team would have given an excessive amount of penalties away in a <30 min timeframe, I don't think a rugby match is long enough to factor in "good behaviour".</p><p></p><p>I can see I'm not in the majority here anyway but I think it'd improve the game and reduce infringements.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Leonormous Boozer, post: 1064370, member: 45598"] The only one I'd really consider excluding is holding on, it's the only "forced" penalty I can think of that doesn't gain the offender's anything in the vast majority of cases. If a team continues to seal off, drop the scrum etc... it should be considered. That analysis shows that England should have seen yellow in the third quarter of the game at the very latest. 13 penalties in a forty minute window is ridiculously poor discipline by any metric. Then when the count starts going up to 5, 6, 7... again after the yellow another warning should be given out. I'm not going to give an exact number that I want to see, leave that to the guys with all the data but including a team yellow as a part of the game and leaving it to referees interpretation of not very strict guidelines isn't what I want to see at all. You're going to have to explain that lol. I personally wouldn't reset but It's not a major barrier to implementing a rule that would improve the game. Most penalties just come down to forced pressure without the ball or trying to gain an illegal advantage with it, outside of foul play and cynical play I think weighting them is a fool's errand for the most part. Stopping a try scoring opportunity is already a yellow card so this should encapsulate nearly every other penalty in the game, otherwise why have the rule? Bad discipline is bad discipline. Basketball have a rule where 6 personal fouls in a game get you DQed, it doesn't matter if they're intentional, cynical, accidental etc... It works well. Meh, in that scenario a team would have given an excessive amount of penalties away in a <30 min timeframe, I don't think a rugby match is long enough to factor in "good behaviour". I can see I'm not in the majority here anyway but I think it'd improve the game and reduce infringements. [/QUOTE]
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