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[EOYT] England vs New Zealand 16/11/13
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<blockquote data-quote="TRF Mr Fish" data-source="post: 606621" data-attributes="member: 20892"><p>Here are my thoughts, which I know you've all been waiting for <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" /></p><p></p><p>The refereeing was not great, it can't be overlooked. Many people consider Joubert to be the top referee in the world, and that's not an opinion I share. I think his general play refereeing is fine, but I absolutely hate the way he deals with offsides. One of my favourite moments in the match was when Cruden ran around the ruck to grab the ball (he was told off by Joubert, and didn't interfere with play in the end). If you watch the replay, you'll see that the English halfback clearly touched the ball, which I'm sure you're all aware is Joubert code for "It's out". Unfortunately, he doesn't apply this consistently. Nowhere in the rules does it say that hands on the ball constitutes the ball being out of the ruck, and I'm not sure if that's how referees have been told to umpire the breakdown, but the biggest irk for me is that it isn't applied consistently. Cruden played in the Super Rugby final, where this was particularly abysmally refereed, and Joubert was the referee then too. The referee panel needs to come out and publicly declare what the rule is, and then that needs to be applied consistently. It's bad enough that it differs from referee to referee, but to change from breakdown to breakdown is appalling. That being said, I wasn't surprised. I was a bit disappointed at some of the calls too, but I don't think it happened often enough to favour England (except that obvious time when Read was yellow carded, when it should have been a penalty to the All Blacks, and I also think there was a time before England's try, where it should've been a turn over but Joubert didn't call it, and England quickly earned a penalty.</p><p></p><p>Moving on, I think the All Blacks were quite good around the park. Every week I'm frustrated with Nonu's kicking. He made two good kicks during the game, his first and (I think) his last (the big clearing kick), but otherwise he does it far too often. If he isn't passing the ball you can almost guarantee he'll kick it away. I'd love to see Saili start next week, just to get another game. Ben Smith is getting better week after week. Piutau and Savea both strong, we're developing great depth in the outside backs.</p><p></p><p>For England, Vunipolo was massive, and was probably close to the man of the match for me. He gained a few metres without fail every time he carried the ball. It looked like he might have a fitness problem (unsurprising, given his physique) because otherwise why would you take off your most potent strike weapon? That being said, his replacement was equally good, I'd be tempted to play both of them at 6 and 8, with Croft at 7 and have Robshaw on the bench. As a general question to all, why is that the Six Nations teams seem to be different from the public's perceptions of what the team should be, when compared to the Souther Hemisphere teams? Most kiwis, Ozzies and South Africans are generally pretty content with the selections, bar the odd call, whilst there always seems to be a lot of complaints when the 6N squads/23's are announced, but maybe I'm just imagining the difference?</p><p></p><p>And Farrell, what an absolute wa*ker! When Cruden was talking to the ref Farrell shoved him in the chest and whined that he wasn't the captain. What a wingeing baby, I wish someone had smacked him in the head!</p><p></p><p>Next week against Ireland I'd like to see a lineup of:</p><p>Crockett, Coles, Faumuina, Romano, Whitelock/Retallick, Luatua, McCaw, Read, Kerr-Barlow, Cruden, Savea, Saili, Smith, Jane, Dagg</p><p>Hore, Toomaga-Allen, Franks, Bird, Cane, Perenara, Barrett, Taylor</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="TRF Mr Fish, post: 606621, member: 20892"] Here are my thoughts, which I know you've all been waiting for ;) The refereeing was not great, it can't be overlooked. Many people consider Joubert to be the top referee in the world, and that's not an opinion I share. I think his general play refereeing is fine, but I absolutely hate the way he deals with offsides. One of my favourite moments in the match was when Cruden ran around the ruck to grab the ball (he was told off by Joubert, and didn't interfere with play in the end). If you watch the replay, you'll see that the English halfback clearly touched the ball, which I'm sure you're all aware is Joubert code for "It's out". Unfortunately, he doesn't apply this consistently. Nowhere in the rules does it say that hands on the ball constitutes the ball being out of the ruck, and I'm not sure if that's how referees have been told to umpire the breakdown, but the biggest irk for me is that it isn't applied consistently. Cruden played in the Super Rugby final, where this was particularly abysmally refereed, and Joubert was the referee then too. The referee panel needs to come out and publicly declare what the rule is, and then that needs to be applied consistently. It's bad enough that it differs from referee to referee, but to change from breakdown to breakdown is appalling. That being said, I wasn't surprised. I was a bit disappointed at some of the calls too, but I don't think it happened often enough to favour England (except that obvious time when Read was yellow carded, when it should have been a penalty to the All Blacks, and I also think there was a time before England's try, where it should've been a turn over but Joubert didn't call it, and England quickly earned a penalty. Moving on, I think the All Blacks were quite good around the park. Every week I'm frustrated with Nonu's kicking. He made two good kicks during the game, his first and (I think) his last (the big clearing kick), but otherwise he does it far too often. If he isn't passing the ball you can almost guarantee he'll kick it away. I'd love to see Saili start next week, just to get another game. Ben Smith is getting better week after week. Piutau and Savea both strong, we're developing great depth in the outside backs. For England, Vunipolo was massive, and was probably close to the man of the match for me. He gained a few metres without fail every time he carried the ball. It looked like he might have a fitness problem (unsurprising, given his physique) because otherwise why would you take off your most potent strike weapon? That being said, his replacement was equally good, I'd be tempted to play both of them at 6 and 8, with Croft at 7 and have Robshaw on the bench. As a general question to all, why is that the Six Nations teams seem to be different from the public's perceptions of what the team should be, when compared to the Souther Hemisphere teams? Most kiwis, Ozzies and South Africans are generally pretty content with the selections, bar the odd call, whilst there always seems to be a lot of complaints when the 6N squads/23's are announced, but maybe I'm just imagining the difference? And Farrell, what an absolute wa*ker! When Cruden was talking to the ref Farrell shoved him in the chest and whined that he wasn't the captain. What a wingeing baby, I wish someone had smacked him in the head! Next week against Ireland I'd like to see a lineup of: Crockett, Coles, Faumuina, Romano, Whitelock/Retallick, Luatua, McCaw, Read, Kerr-Barlow, Cruden, Savea, Saili, Smith, Jane, Dagg Hore, Toomaga-Allen, Franks, Bird, Cane, Perenara, Barrett, Taylor [/QUOTE]
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