[EOYT] Ireland vs New Zealand 24/11/13

[Bpw]

Trimble isn't international standard. We've seen this over the years.
Marshall is a quality operator but again completely unproven at international level although I don't doubt he'll be a top 9 over the 6N
McCarthy should be starting , O'Connell is as I've always believed to be a weak link in the scrum.
Jackson in my opinion isn't up to it. Not yet at least. a very Hyped up player and credit to him at his age he definitely does a job , but again I'm unsure as to whether he is really a top player

Trimble isn't international standard but d. Kearney is.
Catch yourself on. Every fan is one eyed towards their province but that's just ridiculous.
I really thought joe was the right choice but his team selections have been silly and this famous system that all the Leinster players know so well as been hard to see.

I hope he is bedding in and can turn it around but he does look lost at the minute.
Within 30 points would be a result.

 

[Leonormous Boozer]

Very true, (I know some of these guys were injured) however Trimble, Henderson, Tuohy, Gilroy, Wilson, Diack, Cave, and even Court (I'm not suggesting him over McGrath) provide a very strong structure to the team. Wilson, Diack and Cave are seriously underrated, but especially Cave and if you watched the game last night you would see what he's capable of doing.

And as somebody pointed out in another thread - he's still only 26. Ireland could get a solid 3 years out of him, and in my opinion if they developed him he could become a pretty decent international player. By the time the World Cup came we would have Henshaw and Cave, with Payne covering 13 and 15.

EDIT: Oh and I didn't once say they should have the most players - but 3 players is a pretty pathetic representation which was what I was getting at. Heck, if I could pick my own Ireland team it would go Leinster > Ulster > Munster > Connacht regarding numbers.

Fair enough, Kidney missed a trick big time with Cave due to whenever BOD being injured he's play Earls out of position, Cave needs to be brought in to the squad at least for the 6nations and must be a starter on next years Summer tours. I'm not so sure on Diack he'sa solid player but there is about three players who could fill the role better than him and at this stage everyone is split on Trimble one way or the other and I don't think he's up to international rugby.


Schmidt missed Tuohy stupidly for this game and I think Olding should have started 12 vs Samoa to see what he could do, I prefer him to Marshall due to his passing game. I reckon we'll see a huge jump in Ulster players when everyone is fit and Schmidt has had those Winter traiining camps, centres and second rows especially.

Trimble isn't international standard but d. Kearney is.
Catch yourself on. Every fan is one eyed towards their province but that's just ridiculous.
I really thought joe was the right choice but his team selections have been silly and this famous system that all the Leinster players know so well as been hard to see.

I hope he is bedding in and can turn it around but he does look lost at the minute.
Within 30 points would be a result.

We most certainly won't lose by 30, we're not suddenly in the **** after that disaster vs the Aussies

 

[Bpw]

Fair enough, Kidney missed a trick big time with Cave due to whenever BOD being injured he's play Earls out of position, Cave needs to be brought in to the squad at least for the 6nations and must be a starter on next years Summer tours. I'm not so sure on Diack he'sa solid player but there is about three players who could fill the role better than him and at this stage everyone is split on Trimble one way or the other and I don't think he's up to international rugby.

no it's not suddenly but we are in it.
we have scrum that doesn't work. we have nothing to offer in the tight. we have an excellent out half who may or may not be fit.
an old centre partnership very much on the way out. one wing is barely pro 12 level.

we may put up a good performance we may even win but both are unlikely. either way the problemns are still there come the 6n.


Schmidt missed Tuohy stupidly for this game and I think Olding should have started 12 vs Samoa to see what he could do, I prefer him to Marshall due to his passing game. I reckon we'll see a huge jump in Ulster players when everyone is fit and Schmidt has had those Winter traiining camps, centres and second rows especially.

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pw;608579]Trimble isn't international standard but d. Kearney is.
Catch yourself on. Every fan is one eyed towards their province but that's just ridiculous.
I really thought joe was the right choice but his team selections have been silly and this famous system that all the Leinster players know so well as been hard to see.

I hope he is bedding in and can turn it around but he does look lost at the minute.
Within 30 points would be a result.

We most certainly won't lose by 30, we're not suddenly in the **** after that disaster vs the Aussies[/QUOTE]

 

[Big Ewis]

Amazing advertising for the match:

God I hate those. Way, way, wayyyyyyy over-the-top. "Divine intervention" ? What's next: 'the fate of the universe depends on...' eh I actually made that one already.
OK:

'Ireland must transcend. Go beyond. Beyond the realm of the physical, and transgress that which ultimately makes them human. They must metamorphose into demi-Gods, like Hercules before them, and forever immortalize themselves amongst the many glorious figures of Mount Olympus. They must make the 12 labors seem like a small diarrhea stool 12 kittens shat on a warm afternoon....' OK OK, I'm done....

 

[ruggabee]

God I hate those. Way, way, wayyyyyyy over-the-top. "Divine intervention" ? What's next: 'the fate of the universe depends on...' eh I actually made that one already.
OK:

'Ireland must transcend. Go beyond. Beyond the realm of the physical, and transgress that which ultimately makes them human. They must turn into demi-Gods, like Hercules before them, and forever immortalize themselves amongst the many glorious figures of Mount Olympus. They must make the 12 labors seem like a small diarrhea stool 12 kittens shat on a warm afternoon....' OK OK, I'm done....

I also thought the advert was way over the top.

 

[Peat]

Marshall vs D'Arcy - I'd agree that Marshall is a bit overrated at times. His hands can let him down and he can be guilty of forcing play. Myself, however, I think D'Arcy's level of physicality and athleticism has dipped too much to be truly effective at international level. May be wrong, but I feel there's quite a body of evidence to this effect now. This is why I'd have Marshall everytime.

Trimble - God knows there's no point to this argument but balls to it, his last sustained run in a green jersey brought 2 tries in 5 games in a fairly moribund backline and he was dropped shortly after for no particular reason. Since then he's had the odd game here and there. I think his international contribution is unfairly maligned. Unfortunately, doesn't look like there'll be any way of proving it anytime soon.

Also, apologies for forgetting who posted this and not being bothered to look it up, but someone pointed at Leinster not really using their wingers for try-scoring as a reason for not playing Trimble. Schmidt can't simply run the Leinster way. That's not a provincialism thing, its a simple bald statement that I do not think he has the personnel to play that game in green. I think the players he has in green in fact offer new possibilities he didn't have there. McFadden apart, the Leinster wingers in Joe's time have not been speedy guys - and I don't think McFadden has really had speed and agility combined. The likes of Gilroy, Zebo and Earls offer significant speed and agility. I think Schmidt's Ireland may look to use their wings differently. Which isn't really an argument for Trimble - Trimble's strengths are coming off his wing to make yards and finishing in confined spaces, he's the next best thing to Tommy Bowe in that sense - but an argument that what has gone for Leinster will not necessarily go for Ireland. Schmidt's work at Clermont was different to that at Leinster and now it will be different again. I feel Schmidt's Ireland is already playing a wider game than I'd have expected from Schmidt's Leinster, although could be wrong there. I feel the pack is playing narrower too. So who knows what happens next.

 

[big ginger 8]

George Hook gives out about a lack of carriers in the Irish pack. Today and in his article yesterday. Both times no mention of Healy. Typical.

 

[Groundhog]

George Hook gives out about a lack of carriers in the Irish pack. Today and in his article yesterday. Both times no mention of Healy. Typical.

Also if there is one thing O'Mahony does it's carry. Hookie is not a happy man but his lack of confidence helps my optimism. He's always wrong.

 

[UlsterRugby2012]

Gonna start watching RTE from now on, got to love George Hook ranting and talking out of his arse at times!

 

[Jockstap]

If we can put in a good performance and not get completely arse raped, I'll be happy.

 

[Aspry]

They cut the New Zealand anthem in the half

 

[Chikwa]

They cut the New Zealand anthem in the half

Unsportsmanlike . I hope they have no such plans with the HAka ...

 

[Groundhog]

I see looks of pure hatred and aggression on the face of every Irish player there. Jesus I'm expecting an aggressive start.

 

[martinspoonboy1]

Is it just me or was the NZ anthem sung with very little emotion. Maybe they're just very focused! (Benefit of the doubt!)

 

[Tafftog]

C'mon Ireland!!!

 

[martinspoonboy1]

This is going to be closer than the +19 handicap the bookies are giving to NZ

 

[Tafftog]

I just hope Owen does a good job of reffing this game,compared to the rubbish reffing of late.

 

[Aspry]

Nice one!

 

[Aristodemus]

Nice one, go Ireland!

 

[Tafftog]

Has to be a try that