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<blockquote data-quote="Umaga&#039;s Witness" data-source="post: 1042625" data-attributes="member: 65365"><p>I</p><p></p><p>Im not clear what you are trying to say in regards to this thread.</p><p>Even based on your philosophy i dont see how the current rules are good or how the loophole is bad.</p><p></p><p>Fekitoa is exploiting the loophole to play for tonga because he feels allegiance to tonga, exactly as you would want based on your philosophy (although to be fair he probably cares more about representing his culture than his nation, so the philosophy isnt exactly the same).</p><p></p><p>but you are pribably more concerned with players using the loophole to play for a country they have no allegiance to. If a rich country is going to lure a player it will happen whether or not this loophole exists. So the loophole just means that before they make the switch they get to play for the country they jave allegiance to, rather than never getting to. So, again, the loophole fits with your philosophy.</p><p></p><p>the current laws have nothing to ensure a player has allegiance to a nation before playing for them, so the current laws dont really fit with your philosophy. So i dont understand what your issue is with people claiming the current laws are flawed.</p><p></p><p>your point about not caring about how much money these well off players get makes me think youve misunderstood other people's points. I think you have contradicted yourself. You are suggesting people shouldnt have sympathy for players who go for the money, and that if they do so then that should just be nad luck for them and they shouldnt then be allowed to play for the country they have allegiance to. But your main point is that players should play for the nation they have allegiance to. So its a contradiction. the point is pacific islanders will most often be lured by the money to play for a team they dont have allegiance to.</p><p></p><p>I agree with welsh exile that the priblem stems from the national unions being in control of the money.</p><p></p><p>i dont want international rugby to stop being the pinnacle of the game, unless they replace it with a competition between different cultural teams ( noting a culture can be multictural), or teams aligned to different causes. I personally dont support new zealand because of any allegiance to the country, its because it represents a multicultural society and includes the kind of free flowing, instinctive play that i grew up playing during lunch breaks at school and in the back yard, and i like the idea we are hard working and resilient types. I also enjoy beating australians because i like to pretend they are all arrigant and therefore we are beating arrogant people, i like beating the english because i like to pretwnd thwy are all evil based on their actions of the past, etc. i want to emphasise this is all pretend for me, because as soon as i think more deeply there is a whole lot i dont like about new zealand and i do like aboit other countries, and a lot i dont like about patriotism and the concept of nations generally. So i dont take it seriously, i just pretend at the time, to make the story more fun, like a cartoon.</p><p></p><p>philosophically, to me you should be able to play for whatever country feel the most affinity to at the time, whether or not youve ever lived there. Pretty impossible to achieve of course, but if you are going to get close to that ideal you first have to remove differences in money between national teams.</p><p></p><p>the funding for internationals should be centralized, with all countries earning equal amounts</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Umaga's Witness, post: 1042625, member: 65365"] I Im not clear what you are trying to say in regards to this thread. Even based on your philosophy i dont see how the current rules are good or how the loophole is bad. Fekitoa is exploiting the loophole to play for tonga because he feels allegiance to tonga, exactly as you would want based on your philosophy (although to be fair he probably cares more about representing his culture than his nation, so the philosophy isnt exactly the same). but you are pribably more concerned with players using the loophole to play for a country they have no allegiance to. If a rich country is going to lure a player it will happen whether or not this loophole exists. So the loophole just means that before they make the switch they get to play for the country they jave allegiance to, rather than never getting to. So, again, the loophole fits with your philosophy. the current laws have nothing to ensure a player has allegiance to a nation before playing for them, so the current laws dont really fit with your philosophy. So i dont understand what your issue is with people claiming the current laws are flawed. your point about not caring about how much money these well off players get makes me think youve misunderstood other people’s points. I think you have contradicted yourself. You are suggesting people shouldnt have sympathy for players who go for the money, and that if they do so then that should just be nad luck for them and they shouldnt then be allowed to play for the country they have allegiance to. But your main point is that players should play for the nation they have allegiance to. So its a contradiction. the point is pacific islanders will most often be lured by the money to play for a team they dont have allegiance to. I agree with welsh exile that the priblem stems from the national unions being in control of the money. i dont want international rugby to stop being the pinnacle of the game, unless they replace it with a competition between different cultural teams ( noting a culture can be multictural), or teams aligned to different causes. I personally dont support new zealand because of any allegiance to the country, its because it represents a multicultural society and includes the kind of free flowing, instinctive play that i grew up playing during lunch breaks at school and in the back yard, and i like the idea we are hard working and resilient types. I also enjoy beating australians because i like to pretend they are all arrigant and therefore we are beating arrogant people, i like beating the english because i like to pretwnd thwy are all evil based on their actions of the past, etc. i want to emphasise this is all pretend for me, because as soon as i think more deeply there is a whole lot i dont like about new zealand and i do like aboit other countries, and a lot i dont like about patriotism and the concept of nations generally. So i dont take it seriously, i just pretend at the time, to make the story more fun, like a cartoon. philosophically, to me you should be able to play for whatever country feel the most affinity to at the time, whether or not youve ever lived there. Pretty impossible to achieve of course, but if you are going to get close to that ideal you first have to remove differences in money between national teams. the funding for internationals should be centralized, with all countries earning equal amounts [/QUOTE]
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