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Fijians players for a new argentine franchise in SR?

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After the first experience in the Super Rugby, this second season with argentine presence in the most demanding event in rugby union is close. While the complication of the requirement was raised input, the performance of the Jaguars was some way out of expectation.
With only four wins and eleven defeats, the first professional team of Argentine rugby completed his debut amid lights and shadows from the numbers. In the most general level, it sets an initial barrier broke with the best rented rugby world. Therefore, the balance of this initiative was a tough encounter with the highest performance. The greatest exponents of Australia, South Africa and New Zealand made him feel his presence to the Jaguares.
"In this first year we considered many things, but had to live the reality. We had successes and mistakes because we had no previous experience to clarify situations, such as the case of such straight travel," he admitted the head coach of the Pumas, Daniel Hourcade, Rugby & Biz.
He also noted the issue of players. "The rotation will review it must be good to try to take care of," he said. And in relation to the game, he said: "We noticed they were comfortable about the lack of internal competition and that's something we will improve by 2017".
Hourcade knows that the need to improve performance for next season is imperative. From there they are already evaluating different ways to generate the new scenario. "We will have new pressures, but will play eight home games and only seven of visitors. In addition, we will not cross with teams from New Zealand and exploit individual growth of the Jaguars," said tucumano.
One idea being considered is the incorporation of foreigners. More precisely, he slid that could reach Fiji players to strengthen the squad and force a stronger domestic competition. However, for now there is no indication that it crystallizes, despite being boosted by the Rugby World vice president, Agustin Pichot.
"I think it's not the time, as we lose the possibility of building both players for Los Pumas" said Hourcade. In this regard, he said: "Yes we lacked internal competition, but we will now generate from Argentina XV, the second national team, which will be like the middle of the First".
Also, Greg Peter, CEO of the UAR, said the eyes will be on the local. "The emphasis will be on growth and development of our players," he explained, to the time when he said that the Fijians is an "idea, but nothing specific." But not the arrival of outsiders for the second franchise, which already has awarded the UAR is discarded.
While the Union has an annual budget of $ 250 million bet by a second team would be shared or mixed. Negotiations with the United States (a potentially very strong place) and Brazil could lead to it. Thus, the basis of competition for Argentines expand and at the same time, economic risk to the UAR would shrink.
Unlike what happens selections level, the arrival of foreigners to a shared franchise would be a good alternative to take advantage of the available space and generate new business. Not so with the Pumas: natural Argentines only accept to wear this shirt.
In the RWC 2015 in England, Argentina was the only team (20) which did not foreigners on their roster. All a case study since there were 135 players -22% of those present at the World-Cup representing a nation in which they were not born.
With a global audience of 50 million people around the world and more than 2 million tickets sold in 2016, the future looms bright for the next edition of Super Rugby.
In this regard, Andy Marinos, CEO of SANZAAR, said: "We will have a schedule again with 18 teams, with the presence of Sunwolves (Japan) playing at home in Tokyo and Singapore and Jaguares acting eight games at Buenos Aires. Both made its debut in 2016 and saw a spectacular tournament. All this gave new scenarios and color to the event. "
With the challenge of settling in the contest and improve performance, Jaguares appeal (for now) to improve internal competition and to capitalize on the experience gained during this season.
 
Nice piece, thanks for sharing.
I don't believe the bottleneck lies in the players, so bringing foreign ones won't solve the problems we have. The problem lies in management here. The potential is clearly there. I'd welcome news regarding how Jaguares have hired this or that foreign manager with experience in SR, even as a consultant. We clearly could have used that, lets not make the same mistake again.

I have two fears for 2017's SR season. The first is, if we do not make a statement, people will raise the question of whether or not it was a good idea to include us and the SWs, and rightly so. That would be a catastrophe.
We don't need to win the dam thing, but we need to show we are not here to just to take part and learn, but to compete. We need to qualify for the playoffs, period. We've ran out of excuses. Time to deliver results.

The second fear is a bit more complex and harder to assess. I am sure we will do better in 2017 than we did in 2016. 100% sure. We will do better because in relative terms, we will face weaker opponents. I fear we will buy into the hype after winning a few games and believe we have actually improved when all that's really happened is we're not facing NZ teams. This one will be hard to tell thou, at least for a considerable amount of time.
 
I think the minimum for the Jaguares next season is equal wins and losses by the end of the season. That will be enough to stop people speculating that they should be removed or put into a second tier division. Sunwolves are going to be far worse this season (even though they only won one game last season) as their coaching standard has plummeted having lost Hammett. Strange the comments come from Hourcade rather than the coach of the Jaguares Perez. Good to hear Hourcade is paying attention to matters though.

In a few years there are bound to be quite a few Chilean and Brazilian players knocking on the door and strengthening the potential player pool of players willing to play for South American wages (likely lower than Europe and SANZAR) to make a competitive second team more competitive and hopefully ultimately provide the stepping stone to expansion of Super Rugby into other South American territories.

Fijians might be a more viable option for the short term but I'd be concerned about the quality of Pacific Islander you'd get as there isn't exactly an infinite amount of them.
 
There are several issues to address before thinking a 2nd team:

- Money>>>>> They already said they dont have it, at least that was last year
- Players>>> We dont have the players to boost another team, if we solve item 1 then we might do a mix team

There`s no internal competition because there`s no one behind. There`s no replacement for 7/8 players, the back ups are not as good. Also they will have to raise salaries a lot this year to prevent some jags going to Europe for the big bucks.

ps: we need to get rid of Perez and contempomi. Last years coaching was awful.
 
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What is the domestic situation in Argentina? What is the main league? How many teams and is it close to being professional?

One of the reasons why New Zealand can pump out so many top class players in because of their NPC, we could all learn a bit from that.
 
What is the domestic situation in Argentina? What is the main league? How many teams and is it close to being professional?

One of the reasons why New Zealand can pump out so many top class players in because of their NPC, we could all learn a bit from that.

We have leagues in each province. Then we have a tournament of the best ones of the provinces. It´s generally amateur. Rugby is the 3/4fh sport of Argentina behind Football, Basket, Voleyball.

The only way to get better is to have a place where our amateur players can be better aka Super rugby. When we get a second franchise we are gonna be in a good place.
 
What FNS said plus the "Torneo Argentino", which is kinda our version of the Currie Cup. The problem is that geographically we are very, very unevenly distributed. We've got a very bad case of macrocephaly, distribution wise, course.
 
Surely the Torneo Argentino would be the perfect tool for a domestic professional competition? The next step for Argentina is to surely organise you own Currie Cup/NPC/ARC competition to develop players for the future?

Could also help develop rugby in South America if teams form Uruguay for example were allow to enter.
 
Clubs cant afford wages for a rugby team and unions are poor. They have less than some big clubs from BsAs. Also they tried to vote for a more professional UAR and most of the clubs said no.

Argentina needs to have 2 separate leagues in Buenos Aires or 2 unions one semi-pro and one amateur while we keep pushing for a second team or we need to have a good salesman to sell players to other franchises in SH.
 
Argentina needs to have 2 separate leagues in Buenos Aires or 2 unions one semi-pro and one amateur while we keep pushing for a second team or we need to have a good salesman to sell players to other franchises in SH.

Id have thought the Aussie teams and Sunwolves would really benefit from having players that might an Argentine second XV and they wouldn't cost so much.
 
Yes but SANZAR don't think that way. They should relax restrictions for first of all Pacific Islanders across all Super Rugby franchises, NZ could possibility opt out because they quite frankly don't need them, and of course Argentinian players. Gives these guys a chance to play professional in the Southern Hemisphere rather going to Europe. It's a win win situation. The lack of exemptions for Pacific Islanders has been one of SANZAR's biggest mistakes over the past 10 years or so since they've started expanding.
 
Clubs cant afford wages for a rugby team and unions are poor. They have less than some big clubs from BsAs. Also they tried to vote for a more professional UAR and most of the clubs said no.

Argentina needs to have 2 separate leagues in Buenos Aires or 2 unions one semi-pro and one amateur while we keep pushing for a second team or we need to have a good salesman to sell players to other franchises in SH.

That's a real shame. For many nations to kick on I really believe that a professional domestic competition is key to success. The ability to develop young players full time at home is so vital. Is there any talk of any development or is it just Super Rugby?


Yes but SANZAR don't think that way. They should relax restrictions for first of all Pacific Islanders across all Super Rugby franchises, NZ could possibility opt out because they quite frankly don't need them, and of course Argentinian players. Gives these guys a chance to play professional in the Southern Hemisphere rather going to Europe. It's a win win situation. The lack of exemptions for Pacific Islanders has been one of SANZAR's biggest mistakes over the past 10 years or so since they've started expanding.

I couldn't agree more. The Pacific Islands are totally neglected and under utilised. They are the own worse enemies but they need to be used, far to much potential for them to go to waste. I would love to see them get their own team based in North Harbour or somewhere where it is economically viably and with a large Pacific population. Someone did put together nice video for it last year some time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kr5NG2i-Fwg
 
Surely the Torneo Argentino would be the perfect tool for a domestic professional competition? The next step for Argentina is to surely organise you own Currie Cup/NPC/ARC competition to develop players for the future?

Could also help develop rugby in South America if teams form Uruguay for example were allow to enter.
There already are uruguayan teams in the nacional de clubes ( national teams competition) and Uruguay plays as another union in the provincial tournament
 

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