Discussion in 'European Champions & Challenge Cup' started by Charles, May 2, 2010.
That is all.
You can see what a thug he is from this match
Didn't see the incident but wouldn't be surprised by anything the thug does on a rugby pitch. What happened?
Yeah, i've been playing 7s today, missed the match, what's he been up to now?
Olly you not playing in Kinsale 7's in Ireland by any chance. Any scores lol
Well, he kinda kicked a guy after he tried to block him though it was more along the lines of letting his legs out so he'd clatter the guy than a kicking motion.
Nowhere near as bad as the kick in the France match, and probably not deserving of a thread of its own.
That said, he conceded a penalty that we could have done without. Eejit cost us dear again.
Speaking of 7s, he also made a class run down the pitch, and fixed a player for the break that lead to the first try.
Nah, Aberystwyth 7s
He basically tried to insert his spikes into Hunt's shin...
Hyperbole, it was a little bit dirty doubt he'll be cited.
I thought it wasn't a bad thing, just that he left a stray leg as he tried to charge down the ball.
Lads I gotta laugh first ye accuse him of gouging in the match and now ye accusing him of what I don't know lol
Having watched match and well the late tackle anyone who has the slightest clue about rugby will know there was nothing malicious about that late challenge just mistimed (even Biarritz knew that)
And it ok slating guy when it looked iffy on replays slowed down but having been at San Sebastien I can say the pitch was slippery as the rain that fell before was heavy and well he made the challenge and just mistimed it and skidded - it warranted a penalty and no more as the ref even said he seenit was accidental.
I'd say even the citing commisioner would've laughed if he had to cite that. Must say looking back now it was probably one of the cleanest rugby matches in a long timme and probably Munster needed the bit of fire to ignite them.
Why not, that's not a privilege for evils French eye gougers...
Action is at least as dangerous as an eye gouging, and I'll rate it a far more coward...a pure subjective opinion it seems not to be shared by the ERC/IRB/...
Wait an accidental skid deserves the same offense as Gouging That really boils me (not because Flannery is Munster)
A deliberate poke to eye is dangerous and career threatening so that the height of been a coward so Mr.cyclopede you really looking stupid with that comment and pure stupid, arrogant and clueless.
I won't paint all french like you because well after weekend I know there is a passionate love of the game but you are a disgrace for condoning that
Flannery's challenge was really just a clip on the foot, it didn't deverse a sin-binning just a penalty. You can also see that Flannery acknowlegded his challenge was wrong but really he couldn't do anythink about it once he had commited himself.
Thank you, it's in accordance with the precision I made that it was a strict personnal point of view.
I maintain it on the aspect of the comparaision of the 2 faults. One side you have a direct unreguliar act of fight, wich deserve of course a ban (a red maybe when lively seen from refs), and a period of suspension, but on the other, an also dangerous action of someone who, beaten on a game action, make an also unreguliar one, and try to make it as an accident.
On Dupuy's one we've heard here many immediates reactions of definitive prosecution, but for Flannery, it's irrelevant and disgracefull to even talk of it (I remind my observation was relative to someone saying that it did not deserve to make a thread of it, thread whose I'm even not the author).
Flannery' one is not an accident, tries to dissimulate it as one but does not work for me...If it is so, we'll have to agree that all high tackles from some SH island players are accidents (with the excuse that these players have learned to do that from the basics school and never been ban or even penalised for this0.
Let's go on this way, we're right heading to Football deviations...
I agree with with regards that it wasn't an accident. And that he did leave his legs dangling out. But the idea that it looked in any way dangerous is ridiculous. And not comparable to an eye gouge. An eye gouge could blind you, getting hit by a late leg could result in a bruise...one is more than a little bit worse.
For the record, when he kicked David Marty (I think it was Marty) in the Ireland vs France match, everyone admitted it was bad and he deserved the ban that he got. If not more.
The incident - he conceded a penalty. Maybe it should have been a yellow at a push. A red would be ridiculous. A citing just as pointless. Its own thread I maintain - is needless.
He kicked Palisson. This thread is here because of the accumulation. This shows that the kick wasn't "in the heat of the moment" or anything like that, but rather intentional, as was sunday's game rake.
True, he's got a record so any "incident" like this will be and should be viewed with his track record in mind
Fair enough, he's a dirty player. I've no problem with saying that.
What rake are we talking about?
I was talking about the trailing of the legs business.
I'm happy to see that some are also aware that it was not an accident, and accept to have an open debate. I realy hope like durbutter suggest it, that this one will be registered as another illustration of a very very bad habit.
I know that in some extreme cases eye gouging can lead to permanent disability, and even to blindness. I'm not a doctor but watching the two faults, I should rate their level of dangerosity like this:
Dupuy's action couln't have led to invalidity (less than a bad placed punch IMO), and if Flannery's never could have send to a permanent wheelchair, it could have ruined the professionnal career for many month (we all know how much is to be paid about knees and anckles).
Rules have to be fair to be applied, and intention is as far important as action. Rugby is a sport where fighting is a base, we're not blind of what's happening under scrums for example. I'll might offend people here, but I'll always be more comprehensive for players starting an open fight than for the ones who hide and make their arrangements on the sly.
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