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<blockquote data-quote="Cruz_del_Sur" data-source="post: 1014392" data-attributes="member: 55747"><p>You are confusing private with personal. This was an instance where there was a clear sender with a unique, single, specific and crystal clear addressee, hence, as personal as it gets. </p><p></p><p></p><p>Refresh my memory: weren't you one of the ones who in Folau's case argued that even thou RA had a case they chose not to fight it? </p><p></p><p>In any case, being right is one thing, being able to defend your stance while facing a committee or court is quite another. </p><p></p><p>I can only presume you are unfamiliar with euphemisms. Careful there, you might get a severe case of literalism.</p><p></p><p></p><p>This is the quid right there. </p><p>Merriam Webster's definition of slur: </p><p>1</p><p>a<strong>: </strong>an insulting or disparaging remark or innuendo </p><p>b<strong>: </strong>a shaming or degrading effect</p><p></p><p>There was no insult, neither intended by the writer nor perceived by the receiver of the message.</p><p>There was no disparagement, neither intended by the writer nor perceived by the receiver of the message.</p><p>There was no shame, neither intended by the writer nor perceived by the receiver of the message.</p><p>There was no degrading effect, neither intended by the writer nor perceived by the receiver of the message.</p><p></p><p>Pretty much everyone (not saying everyone only because i haven't read the opinions of the 400 MM people who live in South America) in lat america understands it was not derogatory in any way. Quite the contrary. If anything, it was endearing. </p><p></p><p>What you are saying is equivalent to arguing that Buddhism and Hinduism should remove all swastikas from their temples, pagodas, clothing, and even bodies (tattoos) because some people (myself included) later associated that symbol with something they now find offensive. No, that's not how things work, nor how they should work. People need to understand context and intent. </p><p></p><p></p><p>First, that is not what happened. </p><p>Second, why on earth are you assuming a "black Argentinian/Uruguayan". Again, you do not understand the use of the word. </p><p></p><p>Third, that's a fight I'm willing to take. Hell, I've had my arse beaten quite a few times for causes i don't give a turd about, imagine for one I actually care for. </p><p>My best mate passed away last year. I called him "negro" since i can recall, to the point I actually had to stop and think for a min what his actual name was. I can tell you his mother's maiden name or his niece's name, instantly, but it was just not natural for me to think of him by his name. Nothing to do with his skin nor race. Probably not the typical story but if you must know he just liked metal music as a kid and whore a lot of those black t-shirts with metal band logos and the name stuck. Nothing wrong, faulty, derogatory nor insulting. </p><p></p><p>If you think i would have stopped calling my friend by the same nickname i've used for over thirty years because someone feels offended and throws a jab at me you are delusional. </p><p></p><p>If people do not understand the meaning of a word or phrase that is their problem. They can ask and educate themselves. If because of their ignorance they take offense and want to escalate, that undesirable and unfortunate, but regrettably acceptable. </p><p></p><p>I try to pick my words carefully, understand we all can make mistakes, and that intent is fundamental for these things. I can't picture a situation where I would purposedly try to insult people based on their race. But just as I do that, i wouldn't let others dictate my language when they do not understand what i said (it was not a slur) nor why i said it (no intent). </p><p></p><p>And let me say this again because this is important: the people who are passing judgment here do not understand not only what was said, but not even the bloody language the message was written on. </p><p></p><p></p><p>Brain Mujati comes to mind. He had tens of thousands of followers and views on youtube (till he delete all (unrelated reasons). He re-uploaded all later so it's not as if he is hiding or anything). It's not as if people "missed it". </p><p></p><p>Let me make it clear again (this day and age, jesus), i dont believe for a split second BM is a racist. He ain't. By any measure imaginable. You just need to understand the context. </p><p></p><p>A 10 sec google search about this yielded way too many results. This was the first one (had to use the cache version, for some reason the regular one wasn't working). </p><p></p><p>[URL unfurl="true"]https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite9" alt=":eek:" title="Eek! :eek:" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":eek:" />ae8dUViP4cJ:https://www.courant.com/opinion/op-ed/hc-xpm-2014-03-12-hc-op-harris-nfl-right-to-ban-vile-word-0313-20140312-story.html+&cd=3&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=nl[/URL]</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Cruz_del_Sur, post: 1014392, member: 55747"] You are confusing private with personal. This was an instance where there was a clear sender with a unique, single, specific and crystal clear addressee, hence, as personal as it gets. Refresh my memory: weren't you one of the ones who in Folau's case argued that even thou RA had a case they chose not to fight it? In any case, being right is one thing, being able to defend your stance while facing a committee or court is quite another. I can only presume you are unfamiliar with euphemisms. Careful there, you might get a severe case of literalism. This is the quid right there. Merriam Webster's definition of slur: 1 a[B]: [/B]an insulting or disparaging remark or innuendo b[B]: [/B]a shaming or degrading effect There was no insult, neither intended by the writer nor perceived by the receiver of the message. There was no disparagement, neither intended by the writer nor perceived by the receiver of the message. There was no shame, neither intended by the writer nor perceived by the receiver of the message. There was no degrading effect, neither intended by the writer nor perceived by the receiver of the message. Pretty much everyone (not saying everyone only because i haven't read the opinions of the 400 MM people who live in South America) in lat america understands it was not derogatory in any way. Quite the contrary. If anything, it was endearing. What you are saying is equivalent to arguing that Buddhism and Hinduism should remove all swastikas from their temples, pagodas, clothing, and even bodies (tattoos) because some people (myself included) later associated that symbol with something they now find offensive. No, that's not how things work, nor how they should work. People need to understand context and intent. First, that is not what happened. Second, why on earth are you assuming a "black Argentinian/Uruguayan". Again, you do not understand the use of the word. Third, that's a fight I'm willing to take. Hell, I've had my arse beaten quite a few times for causes i don't give a turd about, imagine for one I actually care for. My best mate passed away last year. I called him "negro" since i can recall, to the point I actually had to stop and think for a min what his actual name was. I can tell you his mother's maiden name or his niece's name, instantly, but it was just not natural for me to think of him by his name. Nothing to do with his skin nor race. Probably not the typical story but if you must know he just liked metal music as a kid and whore a lot of those black t-shirts with metal band logos and the name stuck. Nothing wrong, faulty, derogatory nor insulting. If you think i would have stopped calling my friend by the same nickname i've used for over thirty years because someone feels offended and throws a jab at me you are delusional. If people do not understand the meaning of a word or phrase that is their problem. They can ask and educate themselves. If because of their ignorance they take offense and want to escalate, that undesirable and unfortunate, but regrettably acceptable. I try to pick my words carefully, understand we all can make mistakes, and that intent is fundamental for these things. I can't picture a situation where I would purposedly try to insult people based on their race. But just as I do that, i wouldn't let others dictate my language when they do not understand what i said (it was not a slur) nor why i said it (no intent). And let me say this again because this is important: the people who are passing judgment here do not understand not only what was said, but not even the bloody language the message was written on. Brain Mujati comes to mind. He had tens of thousands of followers and views on youtube (till he delete all (unrelated reasons). He re-uploaded all later so it's not as if he is hiding or anything). It's not as if people "missed it". Let me make it clear again (this day and age, jesus), i dont believe for a split second BM is a racist. He ain't. By any measure imaginable. You just need to understand the context. A 10 sec google search about this yielded way too many results. This was the first one (had to use the cache version, for some reason the regular one wasn't working). [URL unfurl="true"]https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:oae8dUViP4cJ:https://www.courant.com/opinion/op-ed/hc-xpm-2014-03-12-hc-op-harris-nfl-right-to-ban-vile-word-0313-20140312-story.html+&cd=3&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=nl[/URL] [/QUOTE]
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