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<blockquote data-quote="Leinster Fan" data-source="post: 962265" data-attributes="member: 76349"><p>I don't know how useful it is to be honest really, unless you want to work for TG4 or the EU there are very few areas of life where speaking Irish is actually going to help you. </p><p></p><p>I do absolutely think it's a desirable thing though, it's a part of our culture the same way GAA or Traditional music is and for me they're all worth keeping alive and doing so is a worthwhile way to spend your time. Being educated through Irish never hindered me or most other people I knew, if anything the evidence would suggest it has a positive effect on eduction. I know what you mean regarding other languages, but learning further languages is much easier if you're already bilingual (didn't help me though, my attempts to learn both German and French failed miserably). I'm not convinced that foreign languages are all that much more useful either, unless you're going to live abroad (in which case you'll learn the language pretty quickly anyway) there are very few contexts where you're going to end up speaking French/Spanish/Mandarin/whatever, while I do actually end up speaking Irish a fair bit (admittedly all to people who also speak English). It also is genuinely helpful when you're abroad to all be able to speak a language that nobody else in the city can come close to understanding (although I'll admit that learning a languages for the sole purpose of complaining about foreigners is probably unnecessary). </p><p></p><p>At the end of the day I'd kind of characterize it like learning a musical instrument, both are unlikely to get you anywhere in terms of employment or to do much for your long-term prospects but it doesn't mean they aren't a valuable use of your time.</p><p></p><p>At the end of the day there's nothing really there to show that teaching kids through Irish in school is doing them any harm (the opposite in fact). At the same time, although I'm not really qualified to comment on how people learn Irish in the rest of the country's schools having never gone to one, it doesn't seem like it's achieving much good but at the same time I think we're better off at least making that link than not bothering. </p><p></p><p>I do think that it is important to maintain our culture, especially in a country with a history as broken and tragic as Ireland's, and I think there's an element of responsibility to keep it going there as well, I'd make an effort to speak as much Irish as possible and if I ever have kids I'd absolutely send them to a gaekscoil in all likelihood.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Leinster Fan, post: 962265, member: 76349"] I don’t know how useful it is to be honest really, unless you want to work for TG4 or the EU there are very few areas of life where speaking Irish is actually going to help you. I do absolutely think it’s a desirable thing though, it’s a part of our culture the same way GAA or Traditional music is and for me they’re all worth keeping alive and doing so is a worthwhile way to spend your time. Being educated through Irish never hindered me or most other people I knew, if anything the evidence would suggest it has a positive effect on eduction. I know what you mean regarding other languages, but learning further languages is much easier if you’re already bilingual (didn’t help me though, my attempts to learn both German and French failed miserably). I’m not convinced that foreign languages are all that much more useful either, unless you’re going to live abroad (in which case you’ll learn the language pretty quickly anyway) there are very few contexts where you’re going to end up speaking French/Spanish/Mandarin/whatever, while I do actually end up speaking Irish a fair bit (admittedly all to people who also speak English). It also is genuinely helpful when you’re abroad to all be able to speak a language that nobody else in the city can come close to understanding (although I’ll admit that learning a languages for the sole purpose of complaining about foreigners is probably unnecessary). At the end of the day I’d kind of characterize it like learning a musical instrument, both are unlikely to get you anywhere in terms of employment or to do much for your long-term prospects but it doesn’t mean they aren’t a valuable use of your time. At the end of the day there’s nothing really there to show that teaching kids through Irish in school is doing them any harm (the opposite in fact). At the same time, although I’m not really qualified to comment on how people learn Irish in the rest of the country’s schools having never gone to one, it doesn’t seem like it’s achieving much good but at the same time I think we’re better off at least making that link than not bothering. I do think that it is important to maintain our culture, especially in a country with a history as broken and tragic as Ireland’s, and I think there’s an element of responsibility to keep it going there as well, I’d make an effort to speak as much Irish as possible and if I ever have kids I’d absolutely send them to a gaekscoil in all likelihood. [/QUOTE]
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