For those who play Union

Discussion in 'General Rugby Union' started by nomadwa, Feb 10, 2010.

  1. nomadwa

    nomadwa Guest

    Certainly Rugby Union is not a sport for the faint-hearted, but it seems to be physically demanding in different ways for players in different positions. My questions are:
    1. In your opinion, which position takes the greatest amount of punishment [hits, crunches, etc.] during a regular match?
    2. Which position takes the least?
    3. Which position is most liable to suffer injuries that cause absences from future matches?
    4. Do you think the answers to the questions above may be different for pro rugby than for amateur rugby?
     
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  3. Olyy

    Olyy Guest

    1. A forward, not sure which, maybe props. They get the big hit in the scrum, getting involved in rucks, and often used for crash ball as well
    2. Possibly scrumhalf. Though they're likely to get munched if they don't shift the ball quickly, they're job is to get the ball to other people on the pitch, so the other people are more likely to get hit. Though maybe flyhalf, as they're the playmakers, dispersing the ball etc.
    3. Props i reckon. Scrums can be very dangerous things if executed incorrectly. I mean, Andrew Sheridan has been out for several months with a dislocated shoulder, and he's been scrummaging for many many years, as has whoever he was against, so it shows anything can go wrong.
    4. I reckon so
     
  4. 1. Second row
    2. Winger
    3. First and second row
    4. Every position is dangerous for pros, since your always take the risk to face an oversize Samoan who weighs 120 kilos and will eat you alive.

    This is just my opinion. I play centre so maybe a forward would have more insight. Third row players also take a lot of hits but I believe their direct opponents are generally smaller than those of the second row players. Plus an incredible number of injuries happen during the rucks, ans second row players are generally the most exposed to those.
     
  5. Nickdnz

    Nickdnz Guest

    As someone whos played in every position in the forwards, I'd say the damage you take is different, I'll try and answer your questions.

    1. In terms of the really big tackles, I'd say flankers often take the hardest hits, as opposition often build momentum, and the loose trio will get more time with the ball. However I'd say props get the most damage all together, as their easy to line up, and their job often means driving the ball forward. In terms of scrummaging, the damage isn't all ways painful, it's just you will either go backwards or forwards, and if your getting dominated you feel like your letting the team down. However scrums also have a very high risk as it's been pointed out, especially when a scrum collapses, as your arms are binded, so you can protect you head and neck when it collapses, so there is a very high risk in that area. Also there is a very high risk when it comes to your archillies tendon will be put under alot of pressure, which can lead to it snapping. The risks are the same in both professional rugby in terms of scrums as it is in amatur, the difference is the ability of the players and the size of the players, so the damage that could occur with a 900kg pack, is probably less then that of a 600kg pack, but of course conditioning of professional props will be different to that of amatur, so they can take higher damage.
    2. As mentioned either Scrum half or Fly Half you are less likely to get big hits, however because of the usual size of a scrum half, I personally taget them and put them under alot of pressure. Because of their size they can be likely to get hurt, however their position means that not alot of momentum can go into the tackle more often then not. At fly half, you run the risk of someone lining you up, especially if the scrum half's passes are slow and inaccurate. However they will have more time with the ball to get rid of it.
    3. Tough question. Both the front row and second row have the archillies heel risk when in a scrum, and also neck injuries. However I don't know if I'd say there is a position in which long injuries will occur more then in other positions. Alot of things come down to conditioning, which may differ depending on the position, however because 50% of injuries involving tackling occur while tackling, any position is at risk. I'd say one good thing about being in a forward is that fact you often have to be big to begin with. When a prop hits a winger as hard as he can, injuries will occur.
    4. Well, in theory not really. However as I mentioned, with the size and strength of professional rugby players, obviously the impact will be greater, despite the conditioning of the players.
     
  6. Bullitt

    Bullitt Guest

    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (elgringoborracho @ Feb 10 2010, 12:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
    JdV running along the line at somewhere up to 20 mph. He weighs 103kg.

    Josh Lewsey* coming across at 20 mph. He weighs 87 kilos.

    Hit.


    That's a combined collision weight of 190kg (420lbs) @ 40mph.

    Most normal humans would end up in intensive care after that. Back 3 players regularly are on both the giving and receiving end of these tackles.

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    *Fullback in this game but normally he would be a winger.
     
  7. munster

    munster Guest

  8. Bullitt

    Bullitt Guest

    Well... If you want to be like that...
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  9. munster

    munster Guest

    ...Ouch...
     
  10. feicarsinn

    feicarsinn Guest

    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bullitt @ Feb 13 2010, 11:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
    JdV running along the line at somewhere up to 20 mph. He weighs 103kg.

    Josh Lewsey* coming across at 20 mph. He weighs 87 kilos.

    Hit.


    That's a combined collision weight of 190kg (420lbs) @ 40mph.

    Most normal humans would end up in intensive care after that. Back 3 players regularly are on both the giving and receiving end of these tackles.


    *Fullback in this game but normally he would be a winger.



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    Surely that's only if they meet head on, not side to side?
     
  11. Bullitt

    Bullitt Guest

    Humour me, it's been 12 years since I did GCSE maths.
     
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