French Islanders

Discussion in 'International Test Matches' started by Charles, Jul 5, 2008.

  1. Charles

    Charles Guest

    The french Islands in the South Pacific (Wallis, Marquises, New Caledonia...) are finally starting to produce good players that will benefit les Bleus with their massive physicality, a la Samoa or Tonga. :bana:

    Right now in the frame are:

    Yann David Centre (1,85 m 105 kg). His mother is from Wallis. Bourgoin
    Laurent Simutoga Prop (1.85 m 115 kg). I think he's from New Caledonia. Stade Francais
    Jocelino Suta 2nd Row (1,92m 115 kg). Born in Wallis Toulon
    Raphael Lakafia #8 (1.85 m 105 kg). I don't know where he's from. Grenoble


    Btw I think Kurtis Haiu is from Wallis as well...Anyway you are now warned folks, Island juggernauts are no longer the exclusive property of the AB's

    :bleh!: :p
    You thoughts ?
     
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  3. SimonTaylor

    SimonTaylor Guest

    Could be a scary development for the rest of the North!

    imho
     
  4. Gavin

    Gavin Guest

    Islanders are exclusive property of the Islands of the Pacific. They only become All Blacks when they decide to play for them, and have lived in the country for a number of years. Don't stare **** or you will regret it. You could say that about players in the French team who are orginally from Africa. It all depends what "developed" country is closer to the place of origin.
     
  5. gingergenius

    gingergenius Guest

    Islanders are exclusive property of the Islands of the Pacific. They only become All Blacks when they decide to play for them, and have lived in the country for a number of years. Don't stare **** or you will regret it. You could say that about players in the French team who are orginally from Africa. It all depends what "developed" country is closer to the place of origin.
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    chill out i don't think he was trying to antagonise.

    anyway, that's interesting. We don't really have any PIs here because the nearest English speaking place for them to go is NZ, and (I think) they all head for Auckland. but our army's full of Fijians, and we had a fijian guy playing sevens for england last year (damudamu or something like that)...

    Yann David, I rate very highly. Big prospect for you lot.
     
  6. Gavin

    Gavin Guest

    Islanders are exclusive property of the Islands of the Pacific. They only become All Blacks when they decide to play for them, and have lived in the country for a number of years. Don't stare **** or you will regret it. You could say that about players in the French team who are orginally from Africa. It all depends what "developed" country is closer to the place of origin.
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    chill out i don't think he was trying to antagonise.

    anyway, that's interesting. We don't really have any PIs here because the nearest English speaking place for them to go is NZ, and (I think) they all head for Auckland. but our army's full of Fijians, and we had a fijian guy playing sevens for england last year (damudamu or something like that)...

    Yann David, I rate very highly. Big prospect for you lot. [/b][/quote]

    I wasn't having a go at the poor fella Ginger. But you know what some of the southern hemisphere posters would think of his post. New Zealand steal Pacific Islanders etc. Just wanting to tell him in case he gets a load of abuse.
     
  7. nam97

    nam97 Guest

    :blink: What? Kurtis Haiu was born in Whangerai NZ, he's a Maori. Where exactly are you getting you're information?
     
  8. Gay-Guy

    Gay-Guy Guest

    Haha...well if he made it he wouldn't be the first MAORI to play for France.
     
  9. Charles

    Charles Guest

    :blink: What? Kurtis Haiu was born in Whangerai NZ, he's a Maori. Where exactly are you getting you're information? [/b][/quote]

    Once I was watching an old NPC game and the commentator (Drake or Johnson I guess) said his mother was from Wallis...But nothing sure...
     
  10. Maubec

    Maubec Guest

    :blink: What? Kurtis Haiu was born in Whangerai NZ, he's a Maori. Where exactly are you getting you're information? [/b][/quote]

    Once I was watching an old NPC game and the commentator (Drake or Johnson I guess) said his mother was from Wallis...But nothing sure...
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    For a long time, french rugby never look for players from french Pacific islands. But now, some Tahitians, Wallisians and French Polynesians come to the "métropole" to play rugby.
    Like french football team did with players from french Antilles (with some success... not this year :rolleyes: , but it had worked !!! ), french rugby is now looking for players frome his pacific islands to improve his national side and his clubs.
    Look to Suta who'll play fort Toulon next season : he'll be wearing the blue jersey very very soon (... if only the french jersey come back to his traditionnal blue [may it come back to blue, may it come back to bue...])
     
  11. DonBilly

    DonBilly Guest

    And what about Corsican? Aren't they French islanders too? Dominici came from there.

    Otherwise when you see all these big guys playing handball from Réunion island the FFR should also get involved in this department.
     
  12. Charles

    Charles Guest

    Quick update.

    Yann David moved to Toulouse this season and he is looking very, very good. Strong, fast and good offloads. He is gonna be massive this year with Toulouse and probably les Bleus come 6N time. The prospect of a Mermoz David pairing is absolutely mouth watering.
     
  13. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Charles @ Aug 23 2009, 01:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
    Some Yann David magic at 1:57 (powerful running + magical offload) in the first round of the top14. I share everyone's enthousiasm, he's going to be huge this year. Hopefully in blue quite soon.

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  14. cyRil

    cyRil Guest

    The Toulouse match was on ESPN yesterday, and I was impressed by David's contribution there. Also, in that vid the winger who is playing for Castres (?) maybe looks very nippy and Shane Williams-esque.
     
  15. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cyRil of Ospreylia @ Aug 30 2009, 11:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
    His name is Marc Andreu,he played for Toulon last year and learned rugby there but didn't have a lot of game time. He has impressive speed and sidesteps but he's really tiny (1,70 m , 75 kg). To succeed at a higher level he will really need to be a genious like Shane Williams, otherwise he will be just too light...
    But yeah, an interesting player to follow, and he's just 22 I think
     
  16. OK now David is really starting to freak me out.

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    Him + Mermoz would be f***ing sweet
     
  17. gingergenius

    gingergenius Guest

    who needs island colonies when you can just get kiwis up here to play rugby league, offer them a bit of money and... Shontayne Hape. watch him.
     
  18. DonBilly

    DonBilly Guest

    Tahiti has her own Rugby Union by the way, so if any French from Polynesia or elsewhere play for Tahiti they can't play for France later on.
     
  19. Nickdnz

    Nickdnz Guest

    Yes...play for Tahiti a third teir nation, or France, a first teir nation...difficult.
     
  20. French polynesians, Wallisians, Tahitians are hardly the same good hard quality as the Samoans, Tongans, Fijians and Cook Islanders. Yes they are Islanders but I dont feel that just because they're Islanders they're all the same. For example Samoans are quite a sporty race they have world renown boxers (David Tua, Jimmy Peau), shotput or disciss (Beatrice Faumuina), champion sumo wrestler (dont know his name), bodybuilder (Sonny Schmidt), NFL players (dont know their names), cricket (Ross Taylor), wrestling (the Rock, Umanga, Samoan Joe..), kickboxing (Ray Sefo), MMA (Mark Hunt), netball (to many to name), rugby league (too many to name) and finally (I think might have missed others) rugby. That is just Samoan world renown athletes alone none of those countries like Tahiti, Wallis and French poly have that same abundance of quality stock, Tongans too have athletes who are elite in these sports also, to a lesser extent so has the Cooks, Fijiians have tall muscley babies as well as Vijay Singh. What Im trying to say is that NZ and Australia will always have better stock of Islanders because we get Sa's, Tongans and so on. Its the type of Islanders that count they're not all the same.

    French Islanders (French polynesia, Wallisians, Tahitians) ancestors would have known about rugby before the Islanders did. Very few of those French Islanders would have given it a go, maybe just not their type of thing which prolonged development of rugby with French Islanders.
    NZ Islanders (Sa's, Tongans, Fijiians..etc) I'll call them NZ Islanders because NZ wasnt only one of the first countries to take them in but also where the Islanders learnt rugby, also NZ first introduced the world to Islanders playing rugby nationally and internationally.
    Well anyway NZ islanders ancestors when they first learnt about rugby they could NOT WAIT to play, because they like full contact sports they were more then keen. Being foreigners and not so sure what english people were saying around them as well as the need to prove themselves and with a joy for contact sports, they couldnt wait for an oppertunity to smash someone and through rugby it was all legitiment, they couldnt believe their luck when they found rugby.

    I think its great that French Islanders are playing rugby and they can play for whoever cares about them. But dont expect too much for them at the moment guys like Yann David are paving the way for future French Islanders which I feel is down the track. Besides France already has a wealth of great players, it may be hard for David to make the team.
     
  21. DonBilly

    DonBilly Guest

    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Randwick Kingfisher @ Sep 18 2009, 04:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
    Yann David has played from the start most of the Stade Toulousain games this season. Ha has already played for les Bleus.

    In term of Islanders I've seen more people from New-Caledonia or Walis playing Rugby or League than from French Polynesia. Very few have made the national team though, more have achieved that in Football.
     
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