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<blockquote data-quote="Leinster Fan" data-source="post: 1017141" data-attributes="member: 76349"><p>In terms of Bradman-esque impact on his sport and being ludicrously far ahead of everyone else Gretzky had similar levels of dominance.</p><p></p><p>In the 21st century I'd say Bolt. Maybe someone will come along and blow his records out of the water but until then hard to top him for me.</p><p></p><p>In terms of their impact on the modern public consciousness and being really good at what they do Jordan, Messi and Ronaldo are up there in recent times at least but I appreciate that the question is all time.</p><p></p><p>If the Buccaneers win on Sunday Tom Brady will have won more Superbowls than any individual franchise. I don't think in terms of natural ability he's up there but when you consider other factors like mental toughness, desire to win, consistently coming out on top under pressure and longevity, all of which are pretty crucial to sport players he's on another level, only maybe Ronaldo (portugal) and Michael Jordan seem similar on that front in terms of sheer bloody-mindedness. Brady I think marks out the difference between greatest and best, most would say he's the NFL GOAT but there are other guys in his own era who are probably better than him.</p><p></p><p>Bit of recency bias to this I'll admit but I'm not 100 years old. Babe Ruth and Pele deserve to be in the conversation too. </p><p></p><p>In summary I don't know but you can probably make a case for anyone mentioned above if you wanted too.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Leinster Fan, post: 1017141, member: 76349"] In terms of Bradman-esque impact on his sport and being ludicrously far ahead of everyone else Gretzky had similar levels of dominance. In the 21st century I'd say Bolt. Maybe someone will come along and blow his records out of the water but until then hard to top him for me. In terms of their impact on the modern public consciousness and being really good at what they do Jordan, Messi and Ronaldo are up there in recent times at least but I appreciate that the question is all time. If the Buccaneers win on Sunday Tom Brady will have won more Superbowls than any individual franchise. I don't think in terms of natural ability he's up there but when you consider other factors like mental toughness, desire to win, consistently coming out on top under pressure and longevity, all of which are pretty crucial to sport players he's on another level, only maybe Ronaldo (portugal) and Michael Jordan seem similar on that front in terms of sheer bloody-mindedness. Brady I think marks out the difference between greatest and best, most would say he's the NFL GOAT but there are other guys in his own era who are probably better than him. Bit of recency bias to this I'll admit but I'm not 100 years old. Babe Ruth and Pele deserve to be in the conversation too. In summary I don't know but you can probably make a case for anyone mentioned above if you wanted too. [/QUOTE]
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