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<blockquote data-quote="RedruthRFC" data-source="post: 1018754" data-attributes="member: 58362"><p>American sports seem to place a too much emphasis (IMO) on team achievements when assessing individual greatness. Given that Brady accepted a salary under the market rate in order to play with better players it seems like bad way of assessing how good he was. Similarly they love all time lists, which presumably he's going to dominate. I'm not trying to say that he doesn't deserve credit for his longevity or wins, just not the amount that the NFL community seem to give him. To be fair, I don't know anywhere near enough about the NFL to argue the toss about him one way or the other, but the fact that his GOAT status within the NFL or even his GOAT quarterback status is nowhere near unanimous suggests to me that his level of dominance isn't great enough to be considered the second GOAT across all sports.</p><p></p><p>I have the same trouble with the respect that Bill Russell gets in basketball for his eleven rings is a stacked Celtics team, despite him never averaging 20 points in an offence friendly era and "only" winning 5 rebounding crowns.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="RedruthRFC, post: 1018754, member: 58362"] American sports seem to place a too much emphasis (IMO) on team achievements when assessing individual greatness. Given that Brady accepted a salary under the market rate in order to play with better players it seems like bad way of assessing how good he was. Similarly they love all time lists, which presumably he's going to dominate. I'm not trying to say that he doesn't deserve credit for his longevity or wins, just not the amount that the NFL community seem to give him. To be fair, I don't know anywhere near enough about the NFL to argue the toss about him one way or the other, but the fact that his GOAT status within the NFL or even his GOAT quarterback status is nowhere near unanimous suggests to me that his level of dominance isn't great enough to be considered the second GOAT across all sports. I have the same trouble with the respect that Bill Russell gets in basketball for his eleven rings is a stacked Celtics team, despite him never averaging 20 points in an offence friendly era and "only" winning 5 rebounding crowns. [/QUOTE]
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