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<blockquote data-quote="Which Tyler" data-source="post: 1041690" data-attributes="member: 73592"><p>Yeah, GOAT on clay I'd certainly give you without the slightest hesitation.</p><p>This last 20 years though, clay is really the last of the specialist surfaces, and it makes up a good 40% of the tournaments; so being a clay specialist with next to nothing elsewhere (obviously, not the case for Rafa) can put you right at the top of your peers.</p><p></p><p>When comparing the big 3 in tennis (and IMO):</p><p>Roger is just the most naturally talented of the 3, with the most varied game which is in constant evolution - throughout a match, let alone year or career. In rugby terms, he'd be Dan Carter</p><p>Rafa is the most naturally gifted physical specimen - the man's an absolute beast, and it's a miracle his knees have lasted this long, but they have, and he's been able to subdue all opposition. In rugby terms he'd be (a better version of) James Haskell</p><p>Novak is the most well drilled, trained professional - he's just a machine who never stops grinding you down. In rugby terms, he's be Jonny Wilkinson</p><p></p><p>My bias is that I always prefer the natural talent in the sport to the best athlete or the best trained; but that's all subjective. When the stats are close, subjective is all that's left - which is why there'll never be any actual answer to "who's the GOAT" for almost any sport, let alone for all sport.</p><p>When stat.s tell the story, the whole story and nothing but the story, is when someone is just completely dominant - like Gretsky or Bradman. You could take their stat,s and divide them in 2 to make 2 athletes; and both would be in the conservation for GOAT in their sport. This is especially true for something like cricket which really, REALLY lends itself well to statistical analysis.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Which Tyler, post: 1041690, member: 73592"] Yeah, GOAT on clay I'd certainly give you without the slightest hesitation. This last 20 years though, clay is really the last of the specialist surfaces, and it makes up a good 40% of the tournaments; so being a clay specialist with next to nothing elsewhere (obviously, not the case for Rafa) can put you right at the top of your peers. When comparing the big 3 in tennis (and IMO): Roger is just the most naturally talented of the 3, with the most varied game which is in constant evolution - throughout a match, let alone year or career. In rugby terms, he'd be Dan Carter Rafa is the most naturally gifted physical specimen - the man's an absolute beast, and it's a miracle his knees have lasted this long, but they have, and he's been able to subdue all opposition. In rugby terms he'd be (a better version of) James Haskell Novak is the most well drilled, trained professional - he's just a machine who never stops grinding you down. In rugby terms, he's be Jonny Wilkinson My bias is that I always prefer the natural talent in the sport to the best athlete or the best trained; but that's all subjective. When the stats are close, subjective is all that's left - which is why there'll never be any actual answer to "who's the GOAT" for almost any sport, let alone for all sport. When stat.s tell the story, the whole story and nothing but the story, is when someone is just completely dominant - like Gretsky or Bradman. You could take their stat,s and divide them in 2 to make 2 athletes; and both would be in the conservation for GOAT in their sport. This is especially true for something like cricket which really, REALLY lends itself well to statistical analysis. [/QUOTE]
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