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<blockquote data-quote="klinthicum" data-source="post: 154179"><p>I highly doubt the death threats came from just one person (the wikipedia guy). Otherwise the IRB wouldn't be claiming Barnes has received death threatS, and added extra security to him. They're separate issues. The person who did wikipedia is identifiable and probably continents away from France where Barnes is. They wouldn't add extra security for just one death threat from a guy thousands of miles away. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Of Course teams do check in every year for test matches. And most of the time New Zealand Wins and the public doesn't get worked up about the referee. I'm only saying the kiwis only get worked up about the refernee when the AB's lose. Which is why there has a been a barrage of complaints about referring in favor of New Zealand, particularly when matches occur in New Zealand. </p><p></p><p> Yes I am an American and we try to learn more about rugby by watching international matches. We're objective when watching these matches, I don't care if South Africa beats New Zealand or vice versa, just want to see some high level rugby, and hope to see if we can learn things to improve our games. We see it, the All Blacks consistently receive the luck of the green with the refs.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial Narrow'">Living in the USA I didn't get to see the match until a day after it was over, and I had already heard the outcry about "the forward pass". I noticed several foreign passes by the kiwis when watching the game downloaded on my computer the next day.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial Narrow'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial Narrow'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial Narrow'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial Narrow'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial Narrow'">"Ironic you talk about safety in a country when your flag is listed as the USA."</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial Narrow'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial Narrow'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial Narrow'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial Narrow'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial Narrow'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial Narrow'"><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans Ms'"><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'">see the </span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial Narrow'"><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans Ms'"><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'">link,</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial Narrow'"><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans Ms'"><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"><a href="http://agendatv.co.nz/Site/agenda/Agenda_Home/default.aspx" target="_blank">http://agendatv.co.nz/Site/agenda/Agenda_Home/default.aspx</a>, </span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial Narrow'"><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans Ms'"><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial Narrow'"><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans Ms'"><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'">your foreign minister (or deputy prime minister- i don't know his actual ***le) actually directly implied that if the All Blacks win, people are less likely to beat up their children. Imagine if the All Blacks don't win in New Zealand in the Word Cup....</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial Narrow'"><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans Ms'"><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'">....... poor kids. Can't even imagine what will happen to the refs or heaven forbid the players of a team who dared defeat the deitic all blacks.</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial Narrow'"><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans Ms'"><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial Narrow'"><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans Ms'"><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial Narrow'"><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans Ms'"><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'">posts? Nooooo.</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial Narrow'"><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans Ms'"><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"></span></span></span></p></blockquote><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial Narrow'"><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans Ms'"><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial Narrow'"><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans Ms'"><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial Narrow'"><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans Ms'"><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'">So you are criticising NZ for calling the ref biased, and in the next breath accusing other refs of bias by name? It's good that you want to bring yourself right down to the level of the people you're criticising.</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial Narrow'"><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans Ms'"><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial Narrow'"><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans Ms'"><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial Narrow'"><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans Ms'"><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'">This had a question mark so I assume it is a question?</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial Narrow'"><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans Ms'"><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial Narrow'"><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans Ms'"><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'">My answer for you:</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial Narrow'"><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans Ms'"><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'">I am criticising NZ for going over the top with their complaints about the referee, not for calling a ref biased. The rest of the world deals with their negative opinions about the refs without death threats and government officials getting involved.</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial Narrow'"><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans Ms'"><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial Narrow'"><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans Ms'"><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial Narrow'"><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans Ms'"><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'">Oh, perhaps it was a rhetorical question. You kiwis seem good at asking those types of questions. Maybe try to come up with questions that you actually want an answer to. </span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial Narrow'"><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans Ms'"><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial Narrow'"><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans Ms'"><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'">For example, All things being equal, Why do we actually lose at the world cup?</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial Narrow'"><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans Ms'"><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial Narrow'"><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans Ms'"><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'">My apologies for three consequtive posts.</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial Narrow'"><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans Ms'"><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial Narrow'"><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans Ms'"><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'">To elaborate on Stuart Dickenson, who I have been accused of calling biased in favor of the Kiwis.</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial Narrow'"><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans Ms'"><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial Narrow'"><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans Ms'"><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'">I would say his bias comes involuntarily. He is just under too much pressure to call against the favor of the All Blacks. It's not that he wants a particular team to win and certainly not hoping to receive an interest for his calls. </span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial Narrow'"><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans Ms'"><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial Narrow'"><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans Ms'"><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'">It's just that the pressure of messing up causes him to mess up. I think the Kiwis can relate to that.</span></span></span></p><p>[/QUOTE]</p>
[QUOTE="klinthicum, post: 154179"] I highly doubt the death threats came from just one person (the wikipedia guy). Otherwise the IRB wouldn't be claiming Barnes has received death threatS, and added extra security to him. They're separate issues. The person who did wikipedia is identifiable and probably continents away from France where Barnes is. They wouldn't add extra security for just one death threat from a guy thousands of miles away. Of Course teams do check in every year for test matches. And most of the time New Zealand Wins and the public doesn't get worked up about the referee. I'm only saying the kiwis only get worked up about the refernee when the AB's lose. Which is why there has a been a barrage of complaints about referring in favor of New Zealand, particularly when matches occur in New Zealand. Yes I am an American and we try to learn more about rugby by watching international matches. We're objective when watching these matches, I don't care if South Africa beats New Zealand or vice versa, just want to see some high level rugby, and hope to see if we can learn things to improve our games. We see it, the All Blacks consistently receive the luck of the green with the refs. [font=Arial Narrow]Living in the USA I didn't get to see the match until a day after it was over, and I had already heard the outcry about "the forward pass". I noticed several foreign passes by the kiwis when watching the game downloaded on my computer the next day. "Ironic you talk about safety in a country when your flag is listed as the USA." [font=Comic Sans Ms][font=Book Antiqua]see the link, [url="http://agendatv.co.nz/Site/agenda/Agenda_Home/default.aspx"]http://agendatv.co.nz/Site/agenda/Agenda_Home/default.aspx[/url], your foreign minister (or deputy prime minister- i don't know his actual ***le) actually directly implied that if the All Blacks win, people are less likely to beat up their children. Imagine if the All Blacks don't win in New Zealand in the Word Cup.... ....... poor kids. Can't even imagine what will happen to the refs or heaven forbid the players of a team who dared defeat the deitic all blacks. posts? Nooooo. [/quote] So you are criticising NZ for calling the ref biased, and in the next breath accusing other refs of bias by name? It's good that you want to bring yourself right down to the level of the people you're criticising. This had a question mark so I assume it is a question? My answer for you: I am criticising NZ for going over the top with their complaints about the referee, not for calling a ref biased. The rest of the world deals with their negative opinions about the refs without death threats and government officials getting involved. Oh, perhaps it was a rhetorical question. You kiwis seem good at asking those types of questions. Maybe try to come up with questions that you actually want an answer to. For example, All things being equal, Why do we actually lose at the world cup? My apologies for three consequtive posts. To elaborate on Stuart Dickenson, who I have been accused of calling biased in favor of the Kiwis. I would say his bias comes involuntarily. He is just under too much pressure to call against the favor of the All Blacks. It's not that he wants a particular team to win and certainly not hoping to receive an interest for his calls. It's just that the pressure of messing up causes him to mess up. I think the Kiwis can relate to that.[/font][/font][/font] [/QUOTE]
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