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<blockquote data-quote="LittleGuy" data-source="post: 656443" data-attributes="member: 44360"><p>It's where the bulk of the war was, it especially annoys me when people discuss the African front as if it were a major campaign when(with the exception of the final days where Hitler stupidly pushed in reinforcements) Rommel only ever had at most three German Divisions there plus 5-6 Italian ones under his command, yep that's right the majority of the Afrika Corps was actually Italian and very poorly equipped. By contrast over 150 German divisions were in Russia at most points if not more, not to mention dozens of Romanian ones and other Axis nations contingents including Italians, Finns(who refused to advance beyond predetermined points), Hungarians, Slovaks, even a volunteer Spanish division. </p><p></p><p>The Soviet manpower and civilian losses are utterly shocking and can't even be accurately counted it ranges from estimates of 21.7 million to as high as 44 million depending on source and interpretation(whether to include certain pandemics an famines in the number). </p><p></p><p>Lesser known is the role Russia played in Japan's defeat, the Japanese had a border skirmish with the Soviets in Mongolia in the mid-late 30's where they got their butts handed to them, it permanently scared them from taking offensive action against the Russian Far east which freed up valuble Svietunits to save Moscow in 1941. In 1945 the Soviet decision to declare war on Japan freaked the Imperial government as much as if not more than the American atomic bombs. In less than a week the Soviets smashed a 1.5 million man Japanese army in Manchuria which barely made a dent in their advance.</p><p></p><p>Edit: I'm not saying this to trash the Allied armies, my Grandfather was in many of the campaigns and was captured a few days after D-Day(Sgt. Major Stacey). Indeed the Western allies played a part and a vital one in the defeat of Nazi Germany, but most people's knowledge of the war makes it seem like we were equal contributors when the overwhelming evidence points to the Soviet Union baring the brunt.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="LittleGuy, post: 656443, member: 44360"] It's where the bulk of the war was, it especially annoys me when people discuss the African front as if it were a major campaign when(with the exception of the final days where Hitler stupidly pushed in reinforcements) Rommel only ever had at most three German Divisions there plus 5-6 Italian ones under his command, yep that's right the majority of the Afrika Corps was actually Italian and very poorly equipped. By contrast over 150 German divisions were in Russia at most points if not more, not to mention dozens of Romanian ones and other Axis nations contingents including Italians, Finns(who refused to advance beyond predetermined points), Hungarians, Slovaks, even a volunteer Spanish division. The Soviet manpower and civilian losses are utterly shocking and can't even be accurately counted it ranges from estimates of 21.7 million to as high as 44 million depending on source and interpretation(whether to include certain pandemics an famines in the number). Lesser known is the role Russia played in Japan's defeat, the Japanese had a border skirmish with the Soviets in Mongolia in the mid-late 30's where they got their butts handed to them, it permanently scared them from taking offensive action against the Russian Far east which freed up valuble Svietunits to save Moscow in 1941. In 1945 the Soviet decision to declare war on Japan freaked the Imperial government as much as if not more than the American atomic bombs. In less than a week the Soviets smashed a 1.5 million man Japanese army in Manchuria which barely made a dent in their advance. Edit: I'm not saying this to trash the Allied armies, my Grandfather was in many of the campaigns and was captured a few days after D-Day(Sgt. Major Stacey). Indeed the Western allies played a part and a vital one in the defeat of Nazi Germany, but most people's knowledge of the war makes it seem like we were equal contributors when the overwhelming evidence points to the Soviet Union baring the brunt. [/QUOTE]
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