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<blockquote data-quote="GarethGriffiths" data-source="post: 887082" data-attributes="member: 75489"><p>A few points:</p><p></p><p>1. How do you know, for sure, that people criticising the decision to remove these ladies from their employment is a pretence? I think that is a very dodgy statement to be making as you don't know what people are thinking for sure. To me, they are girls doing (or were doing) a job, nothing else. If somebody sees them as sexual or sex objects, maybe that person is at fault and needs educating instead of everybody else who disagrees with the decision that has been made.</p><p></p><p>2. Employment positions should only ever be offered to people on merit - that is, they have the right skills needed and required. To give one of these ladies a position within the company/group 'just because you are trying to look good' is just tokenism, and is actually more sexist and discriminatory than we are supposed to believe that the role of a Grid Girl/Walk On Girl is/was. These ladies had the skills necessary to fulfil their role, therefore why the hullabaloo? If they had been FORCED to do this role then I would have said definitely ban it and also legal action should have been taken,</p><p></p><p>3. Were the ladies in question consulted about the decision made to retire their positions? I notice that nobody wants to answer that question.</p><p></p><p>4. Yes, people lose their jobs, but these ladies are being forced out. I don't see that any of the pro-feminist groups online are willing to help them find alternative employment or to fund any depreciation in their finances. Surely, women (and men) fought for the right for women to do whatever they wanted with their bodies - whether that be topless modelling, being a Grid Girl or even being a civil engineer. Is it now that women can only do what certain people say they can do? That, in my opinion, is a backward step and says a lot about the society we are living in where the rights of one group over-ride the feelings and thoughts of others.</p><p></p><p>As I've already said, a moratorium on these positions coupled with debate and arguments presented for and against would have been better - with the ladies in question having the final say.</p><p></p><p>If I was to say that Taylor Swift or Beyonce should have a ban, as they perform scantily clad in some of their music videos and have suggestible lyrics in their songs, I would be laughed out of the room. Yet, aren't impressionable young girls going to pick up on how Taylor and Beyonce look and act and mimic them? Strange that there is little desire to want them banned. Personally, I think that controlling Taylor and Beyonce as well as any other female on the planet is out of my control and remit, and that respecting the individual rights of people matters more than some overall group-think that because something feels wrong it must be stopped without asking questions first.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="GarethGriffiths, post: 887082, member: 75489"] A few points: 1. How do you know, for sure, that people criticising the decision to remove these ladies from their employment is a pretence? I think that is a very dodgy statement to be making as you don't know what people are thinking for sure. To me, they are girls doing (or were doing) a job, nothing else. If somebody sees them as sexual or sex objects, maybe that person is at fault and needs educating instead of everybody else who disagrees with the decision that has been made. 2. Employment positions should only ever be offered to people on merit - that is, they have the right skills needed and required. To give one of these ladies a position within the company/group 'just because you are trying to look good' is just tokenism, and is actually more sexist and discriminatory than we are supposed to believe that the role of a Grid Girl/Walk On Girl is/was. These ladies had the skills necessary to fulfil their role, therefore why the hullabaloo? If they had been FORCED to do this role then I would have said definitely ban it and also legal action should have been taken, 3. Were the ladies in question consulted about the decision made to retire their positions? I notice that nobody wants to answer that question. 4. Yes, people lose their jobs, but these ladies are being forced out. I don't see that any of the pro-feminist groups online are willing to help them find alternative employment or to fund any depreciation in their finances. Surely, women (and men) fought for the right for women to do whatever they wanted with their bodies - whether that be topless modelling, being a Grid Girl or even being a civil engineer. Is it now that women can only do what certain people say they can do? That, in my opinion, is a backward step and says a lot about the society we are living in where the rights of one group over-ride the feelings and thoughts of others. As I've already said, a moratorium on these positions coupled with debate and arguments presented for and against would have been better - with the ladies in question having the final say. If I was to say that Taylor Swift or Beyonce should have a ban, as they perform scantily clad in some of their music videos and have suggestible lyrics in their songs, I would be laughed out of the room. Yet, aren't impressionable young girls going to pick up on how Taylor and Beyonce look and act and mimic them? Strange that there is little desire to want them banned. Personally, I think that controlling Taylor and Beyonce as well as any other female on the planet is out of my control and remit, and that respecting the individual rights of people matters more than some overall group-think that because something feels wrong it must be stopped without asking questions first. [/QUOTE]
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