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<blockquote data-quote="Big Ewis" data-source="post: 635163" data-attributes="member: 57076"><p>how did this turn into a stupid "well France can do this" - "well England can do that" schoolyard fight again ? ffs....</p><p></p><p>English fans, stop hiding behind the "luck" France had in Paris and the supposed concept England were caught on a bad day. Let's not forget the insane way in which that game ends, so let's not take away from the awesome match this was and how dramatic til the very last whistle.</p><p></p><p>As for France, there's absolutely no question we're in decline, but it's not like it's an apocalyptic end to French Rugby, the players are still right there and strong as ever, it's just team sports aren't about a sum of individuals but about the chemistry of those individuals. As soon as we get decent guys to run the staff we'll be right where we should be: rightfully in the Top 5.</p><p>4th, then 6th, then 4th again at the 6N to name just the months of Feb and March these past 3 years.</p><p></p><p>And for Toulon, again: </p><p>had they not had the budget to create that depth, without the likes of Sheridan at LH, Ali Williams and Bakkies at locks, Chris Masoe at 8, or even Jonny during that match they'd have gone down at home to an enormously loaded Leinster side. This IS a fkn H Cup 1/4F, nobody's farting around at this point and there aren't too many sides left that only have humble club-level freshmen to simply put up a nice fight but go back home with their tails between their legs.</p><p></p><p>You look at Toulon that game and they didn't have as much talent and star power as Leinster, especially with Wilkinson out. Toulon played a few young homebrews, a few second stringers who by all means are fine but haven't been exactly test level all year long, and mostly has-beens who'll never see test level again (and for a good reason, mind you). Toulon's biggest name on the day was Juan Martin Fernandez Lobbe, not that he's exactly terrible, but still.</p><p></p><p>So what I'm saying more largely is: if you're gonna go for it, <u>make sure</u> you go for it. If you don't somebody else will, and yes there are restrictions and all that elsewhere but they'll find a way. That Tigers squad on paper doesn't look too modest for e.g.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Big Ewis, post: 635163, member: 57076"] how did this turn into a stupid "well France can do this" - "well England can do that" schoolyard fight again ? ffs.... English fans, stop hiding behind the "luck" France had in Paris and the supposed concept England were caught on a bad day. Let's not forget the insane way in which that game ends, so let's not take away from the awesome match this was and how dramatic til the very last whistle. As for France, there's absolutely no question we're in decline, but it's not like it's an apocalyptic end to French Rugby, the players are still right there and strong as ever, it's just team sports aren't about a sum of individuals but about the chemistry of those individuals. As soon as we get decent guys to run the staff we'll be right where we should be: rightfully in the Top 5. 4th, then 6th, then 4th again at the 6N to name just the months of Feb and March these past 3 years. And for Toulon, again: had they not had the budget to create that depth, without the likes of Sheridan at LH, Ali Williams and Bakkies at locks, Chris Masoe at 8, or even Jonny during that match they'd have gone down at home to an enormously loaded Leinster side. This IS a fkn H Cup 1/4F, nobody's farting around at this point and there aren't too many sides left that only have humble club-level freshmen to simply put up a nice fight but go back home with their tails between their legs. You look at Toulon that game and they didn't have as much talent and star power as Leinster, especially with Wilkinson out. Toulon played a few young homebrews, a few second stringers who by all means are fine but haven't been exactly test level all year long, and mostly has-beens who'll never see test level again (and for a good reason, mind you). Toulon's biggest name on the day was Juan Martin Fernandez Lobbe, not that he's exactly terrible, but still. So what I'm saying more largely is: if you're gonna go for it, [U]make sure[/U] you go for it. If you don't somebody else will, and yes there are restrictions and all that elsewhere but they'll find a way. That Tigers squad on paper doesn't look too modest for e.g. [/QUOTE]
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