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<blockquote data-quote="FrenchFan" data-source="post: 635302" data-attributes="member: 70871"><p>I have no idea to what extent the foreigners here will impact on the national side. The Irish Oracles here seem to know best. Let them talk. Talk is cheap for the Irish. </p><p></p><p>I was simply remarking in a previous post that the national team has been there before. in 1999 they placed last in 5N followed by a final in the WC in the same year. There was an open riff btw the 2 national coaches (sorry selectors) of the time (Skrela Villepreux) and a few senior internationals (Galthie one of the leaders). All this is well known and documented. Only relating facts here, not putting any personal spin. I think this will happen again with the current squad and PSA who is out of his depth and clearly not developing any side for the next WC. Now on a personal note, I couldn't give a **** honestly. No concern of mine. I found club issues and Top14 as a competition far more interesting, coaching youngsters etc far more rewarding. It keeps my feet on the ground and me challenged.</p><p>Maybe the foreigners will impact negatively in the short term (3 to 5 years) if the situation is allowed to continue. Personally I think it went overboard a long time ago. There's way too many of them. Even in ProD2 which I find odd. I can understand the pressure that the big Top14 squads are under and resort to hiring experienced and talented foreigners to survive the league and meet their targets. But ProD2 clubs?! What's their excuse? Many of the foreigners have seen here and there in ProD2 are substandard players. Its just foreign dross polluting our rugby. They should be allowed to go home.</p><p>The one development of note during the last 6N is the widening gulf btw the Federation and the big clubs which I believe is having an even more direct fallout on the national side. Toulouse have clearly ignored the convention btw LNR & FFR and will not play ball anymore. In practical terms, this translates into a nasty undercurrent where top players will be "talked into" focusing on their club career...</p><p>The Federation have ****** off the big clubs, Toulouse in particular. They should never have done what they did. Never heard our president get so vocal in the media as he is a gentleman and not known for opening his gob in the media. But there you go. The Federation should have done everything they could to avoid that thru a bit of "diplomacy". But hey what do they know. Bottom line is they have ****** off Toulouse, the biggest providers of internationals in the last 30 years. They can sort out the mess now. The tour to Australia? it'll be a circus. They will most likely not have the players they want.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="FrenchFan, post: 635302, member: 70871"] I have no idea to what extent the foreigners here will impact on the national side. The Irish Oracles here seem to know best. Let them talk. Talk is cheap for the Irish. I was simply remarking in a previous post that the national team has been there before. in 1999 they placed last in 5N followed by a final in the WC in the same year. There was an open riff btw the 2 national coaches (sorry selectors) of the time (Skrela Villepreux) and a few senior internationals (Galthie one of the leaders). All this is well known and documented. Only relating facts here, not putting any personal spin. I think this will happen again with the current squad and PSA who is out of his depth and clearly not developing any side for the next WC. Now on a personal note, I couldn't give a **** honestly. No concern of mine. I found club issues and Top14 as a competition far more interesting, coaching youngsters etc far more rewarding. It keeps my feet on the ground and me challenged. Maybe the foreigners will impact negatively in the short term (3 to 5 years) if the situation is allowed to continue. Personally I think it went overboard a long time ago. There's way too many of them. Even in ProD2 which I find odd. I can understand the pressure that the big Top14 squads are under and resort to hiring experienced and talented foreigners to survive the league and meet their targets. But ProD2 clubs?! What's their excuse? Many of the foreigners have seen here and there in ProD2 are substandard players. Its just foreign dross polluting our rugby. They should be allowed to go home. The one development of note during the last 6N is the widening gulf btw the Federation and the big clubs which I believe is having an even more direct fallout on the national side. Toulouse have clearly ignored the convention btw LNR & FFR and will not play ball anymore. In practical terms, this translates into a nasty undercurrent where top players will be "talked into" focusing on their club career... The Federation have ****** off the big clubs, Toulouse in particular. They should never have done what they did. Never heard our president get so vocal in the media as he is a gentleman and not known for opening his gob in the media. But there you go. The Federation should have done everything they could to avoid that thru a bit of "diplomacy". But hey what do they know. Bottom line is they have ****** off Toulouse, the biggest providers of internationals in the last 30 years. They can sort out the mess now. The tour to Australia? it'll be a circus. They will most likely not have the players they want. [/QUOTE]
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