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<blockquote data-quote="smartcooky" data-source="post: 638969" data-attributes="member: 20605"><p>OK, it doesn't happen as much as it did in the late 1990's but as recently as 2004 & 2008, we have had half-arsed England teams coming to NZ and offering nothing.</p><p></p><p>[TABLE]</p><p><tbody>[TR="bgcolor: #E0EAF1"]</p><p>[TD="class: lftgs"]Sat, 21 Jun 2008[/TD]</p><p>[TD]ST[/TD]</p><p>[TD]2[/TD]</p><p>[TD="class: lftblu"]<span style="color: RED">New Zealand</span> v England[/TD]</p><p>[TD="class: cenb"]44-12[/TD]</p><p>[TD="class: cenb"]5:2[/TD]</p><p>[TD="class: cenb"]5-0[/TD]</p><p>[TD="class: lftgs"]Jade Stadium, Christchurch[/TD]</p><p>[TD]H[/TD]</p><p>[/TR]</p><p>[TR="bgcolor: #FFFFFF"]</p><p>[TD="class: lftgs"]Sat, 14 Jun 2008[/TD]</p><p>[TD]ST[/TD]</p><p>[TD]1[/TD]</p><p>[TD="class: lftblu"]<span style="color: RED">New Zealand</span> v England[/TD]</p><p>[TD="class: cenb"]37-20[/TD]</p><p>[TD="class: cenb"]4:2[/TD]</p><p>[TD="class: cenb"]5-0[/TD]</p><p>[TD="class: lftgs"]Eden Park, Auckland[/TD]</p><p>[TD]H[/TD]</p><p>[/TR]</p><p>[TR="bgcolor: #E0EAF1"]</p><p>[TD="class: lftgs"]Sat, 19 Jun 2004[/TD]</p><p>[TD]ST[/TD]</p><p>[TD]2[/TD]</p><p>[TD="class: lftblu"]<span style="color: RED">New Zealand</span> v England[/TD]</p><p>[TD="class: cenb"]36-12[/TD]</p><p>[TD="class: cenb"]5:0[/TD]</p><p>[TD="class: cenb"]5-0[/TD]</p><p>[TD="class: lftgs"]Eden Park, Auckland[/TD]</p><p>[TD]H[/TD]</p><p>[/TR]</p><p>[TR="bgcolor: #FFFFFF"]</p><p>[TD="class: lftgs"]Sat, 12 Jun 2004[/TD]</p><p>[TD]ST[/TD]</p><p>[TD]1[/TD]</p><p>[TD="class: lftblu"]<span style="color: RED">New Zealand</span> v England[/TD]</p><p>[TD="class: cenb"]36-3[/TD]</p><p>[TD="class: cenb"]3:0[/TD]</p><p>[TD="class: cenb"]4-0[/TD]</p><p>[TD="class: lftgs"]Carisbrook, Dunedin[/TD]</p><p>[TD]H[/TD]</p><p>[/TR]</p><p></tbody>[/TABLE]</p><p></p><p>Perhaps they will send stronger teams given that RWC is next year. That remains to be seen.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>So would I. </p><p></p><p>When I went to Moffat Naval Air Station in the USA with the RNZAF for an advanced Specialist Avionics Equipment course, I had to sign a five year "return of service" on my contract, guaranteeing that I would not leave the service and go into the private sector. The only way out for me until the five years was up was to repay the cost of the training, IIRC it was about NZ$60,000 (in 1985 dollars). This was to ensure that the Air Force got their moneys worth out of me for what it cost them to train me.</p><p></p><p>In the same vein, I would like to see players required sign a four year "return of service" contract with the NZRU when they first play in ITM Cup (they don't get on the field without it) and an extension to that contract if they make the step up to Super Rugby, so that if they decide after a year or two to go to Japan or Europe, the club they are going to will have to pay the NZRU to buy them out of their contract. That way, at least the NZRU gets something back for the hundreds of thousand of dollars it costs to develop a player, because frankly, I have had enough of seeing players that the NZRU spends millions of dollars and years to develop, heading overseas without the NZRU getting anything back.</p><p></p><p>The other thing I would do is have an agreement between the NZRU and the ARU to play an annual three match New Zealand "A" v Australia "A" series to further player development and so that these second tier NZ and Australian players can have their eligibility captured, thereby preventing any possibility of having players like Bundi Ahki turning out for a European country.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="smartcooky, post: 638969, member: 20605"] OK, it doesn't happen as much as it did in the late 1990's but as recently as 2004 & 2008, we have had half-arsed England teams coming to NZ and offering nothing. [TABLE] <tbody>[TR="bgcolor: #E0EAF1"] [TD="class: lftgs"]Sat, 21 Jun 2008[/TD] [TD]ST[/TD] [TD]2[/TD] [TD="class: lftblu"][COLOR=RED]New Zealand[/COLOR] v England[/TD] [TD="class: cenb"]44-12[/TD] [TD="class: cenb"]5:2[/TD] [TD="class: cenb"]5-0[/TD] [TD="class: lftgs"]Jade Stadium, Christchurch[/TD] [TD]H[/TD] [/TR] [TR="bgcolor: #FFFFFF"] [TD="class: lftgs"]Sat, 14 Jun 2008[/TD] [TD]ST[/TD] [TD]1[/TD] [TD="class: lftblu"][COLOR=RED]New Zealand[/COLOR] v England[/TD] [TD="class: cenb"]37-20[/TD] [TD="class: cenb"]4:2[/TD] [TD="class: cenb"]5-0[/TD] [TD="class: lftgs"]Eden Park, Auckland[/TD] [TD]H[/TD] [/TR] [TR="bgcolor: #E0EAF1"] [TD="class: lftgs"]Sat, 19 Jun 2004[/TD] [TD]ST[/TD] [TD]2[/TD] [TD="class: lftblu"][COLOR=RED]New Zealand[/COLOR] v England[/TD] [TD="class: cenb"]36-12[/TD] [TD="class: cenb"]5:0[/TD] [TD="class: cenb"]5-0[/TD] [TD="class: lftgs"]Eden Park, Auckland[/TD] [TD]H[/TD] [/TR] [TR="bgcolor: #FFFFFF"] [TD="class: lftgs"]Sat, 12 Jun 2004[/TD] [TD]ST[/TD] [TD]1[/TD] [TD="class: lftblu"][COLOR=RED]New Zealand[/COLOR] v England[/TD] [TD="class: cenb"]36-3[/TD] [TD="class: cenb"]3:0[/TD] [TD="class: cenb"]4-0[/TD] [TD="class: lftgs"]Carisbrook, Dunedin[/TD] [TD]H[/TD] [/TR] </tbody>[/TABLE] Perhaps they will send stronger teams given that RWC is next year. That remains to be seen. So would I. When I went to Moffat Naval Air Station in the USA with the RNZAF for an advanced Specialist Avionics Equipment course, I had to sign a five year "return of service" on my contract, guaranteeing that I would not leave the service and go into the private sector. The only way out for me until the five years was up was to repay the cost of the training, IIRC it was about NZ$60,000 (in 1985 dollars). This was to ensure that the Air Force got their moneys worth out of me for what it cost them to train me. In the same vein, I would like to see players required sign a four year "return of service" contract with the NZRU when they first play in ITM Cup (they don't get on the field without it) and an extension to that contract if they make the step up to Super Rugby, so that if they decide after a year or two to go to Japan or Europe, the club they are going to will have to pay the NZRU to buy them out of their contract. That way, at least the NZRU gets something back for the hundreds of thousand of dollars it costs to develop a player, because frankly, I have had enough of seeing players that the NZRU spends millions of dollars and years to develop, heading overseas without the NZRU getting anything back. The other thing I would do is have an agreement between the NZRU and the ARU to play an annual three match New Zealand "A" v Australia "A" series to further player development and so that these second tier NZ and Australian players can have their eligibility captured, thereby preventing any possibility of having players like Bundi Ahki turning out for a European country. [/QUOTE]
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