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<blockquote data-quote="JONES555" data-source="post: 593805" data-attributes="member: 60631"><p>In last years Heineken cup, there were seven French teams, six English, four Irish, three Welsh, two Scottish, and two Italian teams. </p><p> </p><p></p><p> Since Wasps won the competition in 2007, the Irish have fielded three sides in the HC between 2008 and 2011, and four sides in the competition since 2012. Despite this, Leinster won the trophy in 2009, 2011 and 2012, Munster won it in 2008, and Ulster were finalists in 2012. I think this proves that having more English sides in the competition will not increase their chances of winning it. </p><p> </p><p></p><p> Furthermore, I think it's absolutely vital we have automatic representation for each nation in Europe in the Heineken cup. Doing so brings the competition to a larger audience, it helps promote rugby throughout Europe, and I believe it helps improve the quality of rugby throughout Europe. </p><p> </p><p></p><p> I find the notion that the English and French leagues should have equal representation to the Rabo Pro 12 in the HC, absurd. The Rabo pro 12 is a provincial league. There are 4 welsh, 4 Irish, 2 Scottish, and 2 Italian teams in this competition. There are obviously more clubs in each of these nations, however, they aren't in the top flight, and so none of them make the Heineken cup. </p><p> </p><p></p><p> If Premiership clubs are annoyed they have to work harder to get into the Heineken cup, then maybe they should change their domestic league. How about Anglo-French league, with places guaranteed to the top teams from each country. I think the evidence shows pretty clearly that the provincial systems work. I'm pretty sure such a system would help to improve the English national side. </p><p> </p><p></p><p> Whereas I think having an Anglo-French cup will be absolute suicide for Northern Hemisphere rugby. I believe by ensuring the only time Celtic and Italian teams face the English and French teams is during the six nations, this will result in a dip in quality in Northern Hemisphere rugby right across the board. So Southern Hemisphere dominance, cricket score losses to Southern hemisphere sides, and no more 2003's for England. That's the legacy that's being written for us.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="JONES555, post: 593805, member: 60631"] In last years Heineken cup, there were seven French teams, six English, four Irish, three Welsh, two Scottish, and two Italian teams. Since Wasps won the competition in 2007, the Irish have fielded three sides in the HC between 2008 and 2011, and four sides in the competition since 2012. Despite this, Leinster won the trophy in 2009, 2011 and 2012, Munster won it in 2008, and Ulster were finalists in 2012. I think this proves that having more English sides in the competition will not increase their chances of winning it. Furthermore, I think it's absolutely vital we have automatic representation for each nation in Europe in the Heineken cup. Doing so brings the competition to a larger audience, it helps promote rugby throughout Europe, and I believe it helps improve the quality of rugby throughout Europe. I find the notion that the English and French leagues should have equal representation to the Rabo Pro 12 in the HC, absurd. The Rabo pro 12 is a provincial league. There are 4 welsh, 4 Irish, 2 Scottish, and 2 Italian teams in this competition. There are obviously more clubs in each of these nations, however, they aren't in the top flight, and so none of them make the Heineken cup. If Premiership clubs are annoyed they have to work harder to get into the Heineken cup, then maybe they should change their domestic league. How about Anglo-French league, with places guaranteed to the top teams from each country. I think the evidence shows pretty clearly that the provincial systems work. I'm pretty sure such a system would help to improve the English national side. Whereas I think having an Anglo-French cup will be absolute suicide for Northern Hemisphere rugby. I believe by ensuring the only time Celtic and Italian teams face the English and French teams is during the six nations, this will result in a dip in quality in Northern Hemisphere rugby right across the board. So Southern Hemisphere dominance, cricket score losses to Southern hemisphere sides, and no more 2003's for England. That's the legacy that's being written for us. [/QUOTE]
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