Horwill New Wallaby Captain

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  1. Siva Tau

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    The team just announced and apart from Giteau's non-selection this is the biggest surprise.

    I guess it paves the way for a more dominant figure in Horwill plus also gives scope for Elsom to be dropped if necessary without it being to drastic during the WC.

    IMO a good move which will only help the Wallabies
     
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    one thing is for sure, deans isn't scared to make the tough calls if he thinks they need to be made. But this does create a lot of "what if's" about the squad if they dont do well at the world cup.

    IMO A lot of change has happened in the Aussie setup while deans has been coach and the results havn't been great but the thought has always been that the changes will settle down and the team will improve. But to be making major changes like the captian and dropping an experienced world class player with 95 caps days out from when they are suposed to peak isn't really "seteling down"

    I think a lot of Kiwi's like me have sat around shocked while deans has basically dumped players like George Smith, Stirling Mortlock, Phil Waugh, Loti Tuqiri and now Matt Giteau, maybe Even Rocky Elsom as well?

    I look at that list of names and see a bunch of guys who know how to stand toe to toe with the All Blacks and get under their skin, put their body on the line and bleed for the wallabies where most of the new blood in the Aussie team have done little more than be put over the all blacks knee and get spanked like naughty little boys for the last 4 years.
     
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    It's a good move for the betterment of Aussie Rugby.

    And probably for Rocky, he needs a big RWC to get back into some decent form. Games like last week for him have become occasional rather than standard which isnt what a leader or a starter should be.

    Giteau dropped? Bad bad move.
     
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    http://www.espnscrum.com/australia/rugby/story/146457.html

    Posting of the squad would have been nice ....
     
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    If Elsom was sacked, why Pockock was not chosen?
    Deans is playing dangerous game. Most senior players are gone and young guns have to prove something.
     
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    Good move by Deans.

    Stripping Elsom of the responsibility as captain will free him up to go back to being what he was before he bacame captain... an enforcer!!
     
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    George Smith: signed for Toulon in 2009, Pocock in for him.
    Phil Waugh: no more shining as in 2003-2005.
    Lote Tuqiri: contract sacked by ARU due to disciplinary. People still doesn't know why, but not Deans decision.
    Stirling Mortlock: didn't play test rugby since... 2008 or 2009? struggled with knee and back injury, now he is 34.
     
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    Hmmm, this all seems very similar to 2003 when John Mitchell and Robbie Deans dropped Christian Cullen and Andrew Mehrtens from their world cup in place of Ben Atiga and Caleb Ralph/Leon McDonald. It's alright saying "he's not playing his best rugby", but there are some pretty daunting effects of leaving out a 28 year old with 92 test caps. Nothing other than a RWC final will leave people impressed with this decision.
     
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    Well he is the most over-rated player in world rugby, so I don't know what people are getting in a fuss about really.
     
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    Agreed

    All this means is that Elsom isn't guaranteed his spot in the 6 shirt, which is probably a good thing considering his dips in form (looked better last match though)

    6. Higginbotham
    7. Pocock
    8. Samo

    That'd be immense
     
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    Thank God! Elsom is a bloody joke.
     
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    Says the guy with Henson on his signature!
     
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    You're dead right! If he isn't one of the first names written on the team sheet, he can't be captain. He's avoiding that awkward John Smit/Bismark situation where the better player is left on the bench because they think Smit is a better leader. (Not that anyone is accusing Elsom of being a great leader).

    I'm more surprised that they extended deans contract before the world cup! Honestly.... what has he done?
     
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    Elsom has been average for the last two years.
     
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    Agree with Duck while definately not at his best Elsom is far from "crap".
     
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    I think Deans has it correct, getting Gits out of the Wallabies team is great... a player with 92 caps and been to 2 world cups would sound bad to drop. However has he been apart of any winning tournment with a Wallabie shirt on? The answer is no, has he ever scored a try against the AB, the answer is no. If he was the no.12 in a world cup final vs AB he would not be able to win it for AUS, due to his mental state of always losing. True 1 person does not decide a team of 15... but sometimes it does have a major effect, look at Wilko, Carter or Richie... now when they play teams play better because they can win! Gits is not what we need he has failed 2 times, thats his days done.

    Horwill has passion (watch him winning the super 15 title) he wants to win, he needs to win. He also has form, and just won a super 15 title as caption!! I would have him leading a world cup team over Elsom anyday... Elsom is a great player but you need your no.1 play as cap, he is not a no.1 player all the time, however Horwill IS! Many Red players in the Wallabies and not many Brumbies... they know him and trust him, also we have won 2 world cups with a lock as cap before remember.
     
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