How many competitive 22 man squads could NZ have???

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  1. dan the man

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    Now I'm not being some Cocky NZ Rugby fan... (well kinda :p)

    But how much talent is there at the moment in these young Kiwi players?!? normally after a World Cup it seems like we're scraping the bottom of the barrel! But this year is very different!

    Starting with the 22 man squad to play Ireland:

    1st XXII

    1. Tony Woodcock
    2. Andrew Hore
    3. Owen Franks
    4. Brodie Retallick
    5. Sam Whitelock
    6. Victor Vito
    7. Richie McCaw (c)
    8. Kieran Read
    9. Aaron Smith
    10. Dan Carter
    11. Julian Savea
    12. Sonny Bill Williams
    13. Conrad Smith
    14. Zac Guilford
    15. Israel Dagg

    16. Hika Elliot
    17. Ben Franks
    18. Ali Williams
    19. Adam Thomson
    20. Piri Weepu
    21. Aaron Cruden
    22. Ben Smith

    2nd XXII

    1. Wyatt Crockett
    2. Dane Coles
    3. Jeffery Toomaga-Allen
    4. Tom Donnelly
    5. Jason Eaton
    6. Luke Braid
    7. Matt Todd
    8. Liam Messam
    9. Andrew Ellis
    10. Beauden Barret
    11. Hosea Gear
    12. Ma'a Nonu
    13. Tamati Ellison
    14. Tim Nanai Williams
    15. Andre Taylor

    16. Jason Rutledge
    17. Jamie MacIntosh
    18. Luke Romano
    19. Nasi Manu
    20. TJ Peranara
    21. Mike Delany
    22. Robbie Robinson

    3rd XXII

    1. Charlie Faumuina
    2. Cory Flynn
    3. Ben Afeaki
    4. Craig Clarke
    5. Jarred Hoeata
    6. Sam Cane
    7. Daniel Braid
    8. George Whitelock
    9. Tawera Kerr-Barlow
    10. Tom Taylor
    11. Lelia Masaga
    12. Tim Bateman
    13. Robbie Fruean
    14. Rene Ranger
    15. Rudi Wulf

    16. Tom McCartney
    17. Ben Tameifuna
    18. Jason Eaton
    19. Peter Saili
    20. Alby Mathewson
    21. Gareth Anscombe
    22. Lachie Munro

    Ok, so the 3rd XXII isn't the greatest but the 2nd XXII is awesome, heaps of talant but not as much experience...

    Also I've left out the currently injured players: Keven Mealamu, Anthony Boric, Jerome Kaino, Colin Slade, Richard Kahui, Cory Jane and Isaia Toeava. If this group were included then the 2nd XXII would look a lot stronger. Either way, i reckon that any of these teams would be competitive at International level.

    The Future of NZ Rugby is looking great! Especially considering that a few of our Superstars probably only have a season or two left...
     
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    I can do the same for South Africa

    First 22:

    1. Tendai Mtawarira
    2. Bismarck du Plessis
    3. Jannie du Plessis
    4. Eben Etzebeth
    5. Andries Bekker
    6. Marcell Coetzee
    7. Willem Alberts
    8. Keegan Daniel
    9. Francois Hougaard
    10.Patrick Lambie
    11.Lwazi Mvovo
    12.Francois Steyn
    13.Jaque Fourie
    14.JP Pietersen
    15.Jaco Taute

    16.Adriaan Strauss
    17.Coenie Oosthuizen
    18.Juandre Kruger
    19.Josh Strauss
    20.Fourie du Preez
    21.Jean de Villiers
    22.Gio Aplon


    2nd 22:

    1. Gurtro Steenkamp
    2. Schalk Brits
    3. Brian Mujati
    4. Bakkies Botha
    5. Johann Muller
    6. Heinrich Brussow
    7. Juan Smith
    8. Pierre Spies
    9. Ruan Pienaar
    10.Johan Goosen
    11.Bjorn Basson
    12.Doppies la Grange
    13.Juan de Jongh
    14.Louis Ludik
    15.Riaan Viljoen

    16.Chiliboy Ralepelle
    17.Deon Carstens
    18.Anton Bresler
    19.Duane Vermeulen
    20.Sarel Pretorius
    21.Robert Ebersohn
    22.Joe Pietersen


    3rd 22:

    1. CJ van der Linde
    2. Tiaan Liebenberg
    3. Patric Cilliers
    4. Flip van der Merwe
    5. Alistair Hargreaves
    6. Jacques Botes
    7. Jean Deysel
    8. Joe van Niekerk
    9. Charl McLeod
    10.Elton Jantjies
    11.Lionel Mapoe
    12.Wynand Olivier
    13.Paul Jordaan
    14.Sibusiso Sithole
    15.Brent Russell

    16.Deon Fourie
    17.Dean Greyling
    18.Wilhelm Steenkamp
    19.Ryan Kankowski
    20.Piet van Zyl
    21.Butch James
    22.Hennie Daniller



    Man, I didn't even use Jacques Potgieter, Steven Kitshoff, Peter Grant, Morne Steyn, Zane Kirchner, Deon Stegmann, Dewaldt Duvenhage, Dewald Potgieter, BJ Botha, Danie Rossouw and many, many others.


    It's easy to do this for NZ, England, France and SA because of the massive depth and the local competition for talents to develop, unlike Australia, Wales, Ireland and Scotland.
     
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    01 Gethin Jenkins
    02 Ken Owens
    03 Adam Jones
    04 Alun Wyn Jones
    05 Ian Evans
    06 Dan Lydiate
    07 Sam Warburton
    08 Toby Faletau
    09 Mike Phillips
    10 Rhys Priestland
    11 George North
    12 Jamie Roberts
    13 Jonathan Davies
    14 Alex Cuthbert
    15 Leigh Halfpenny

    16 Matthew Rees
    17 Paul James
    18 Luke Charteris
    19 Ryan Jones
    20 Lloyd Williams
    21 James Hook
    22 Scott Williams

    01 Ryan Bevington
    02 Richard Hibbard
    03 Craig Mitchell
    04 Bradley Davies
    05 Lou Reed
    06 Josh Turnbull
    07 Justin Tipuric
    08 Andy Powell
    09 Rhys Webb
    10 Dan Biggar
    11 Aled Brew
    12 Ashley Beck
    13 Adam Hughes
    14 Harry Robinson
    15 Lee Byrne

    16 Emyr Phillips
    17 Rhodri Jones
    18 Dominic Day
    19 Lewis Evans
    20 Dwayne Peel
    21 Jason Tovey
    22 Will Harries

    Stretching it there... Let's go for three!

    01 John Yapp
    02 Scott Baldwin
    03 Eifion Lewis-Roberts
    04 Aaron Shingler
    05 Damien Welch
    06 Josh Turnbull
    07 Daniel Thomas
    08 Kieran Murphy
    09 Gareth Davies
    10 Stephen Jones
    11 Tom James
    12 Ashley Smith
    13 Adam Warren
    14 Morgan Stoddart
    15 Liam Williams

    16 ... Marc Jones?
    17 Scott Andrews
    18 Ian Gough
    19 Rob McCusker
    20 Tavis Knoyle
    21 Matthew Morgan
    22 Chris Czekaj

    Yeah, not as great as the Kiwis or Saffas, but some decent young players coming through.
     
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    Current 22

    15. Mike Brown 14. Chris Ashton 13. Manu Tuilagi 12. Brad Barrit 11. Ben Foden 10. Owen Farrell 9. Ben Youngs; 1. Joe Marler 2. Dylan Hartley 3. Dan Cole 4. Mouritz Botha 5. Geoff Parling 6. Tom Johnson 7. Chris Robshaw 8. Ben Morgan; 16. Lee Mears 17. PDJ 18. Tom Palmer 19. Phil Dowson 20. Lee Dickson 21. Toby Flood 22. Jonathan Joseph

    Next best 22

    15. Alex Goode 14. Topsy Ojo 13. George Lowe 12. Anthony Allen 11. JSD 10. Chargedown Charlie 9. Danny Care; 1. Corbs 2. Joe Gray 3. Rupert Harden 4. Matt Garvey 5. Courtney Lawes 6. Tom Croft 7. Jamie Gibson 8. Luke Narraway; 16. Chris Brooker 17. David Wilson 18. Dave Attwood 19. Carl Fearns 20. Richard Wigglesworth 21. Freddie Burns 22. Jonny May

    Things are beginning to get iffy 22

    15. Rob Miller 14. David Strettle 13. Henry Trinder 12. Billy Twelvetrees 11. Ugo Monye 10. George Ford 9. Haydn Thomas; 1. Nick Wood 2. David Paice 3. Duncan Bell 4. Ed Slater 5. Joe Launchbury 6. James Haskell 7. David Seymour 8. Thomas Waldrom; 16. Dean Whitehead 17. Matt Stevens 18. George Robson 19. Luke Wallace 20. Karl Dickson 21. Jordan Turner-Hall 22. Christian Wade

    Ok, I'm beginning to take the **** a little, but just you wait 22

    15. Olly Morgan 14. Charlie Sharples 13. Elliot Daly 12. That Fitzpatrick lad at Newcastle 11. James Short 10. Tom Heathcote 9. Ben Spencer; 1. Matt Mullan 2. Mike Haywood 3. Henry Thomas 4. Charlie Matthews 5. Graham Kitchener 6. Tom Wood 7. Matt Kvesic 8. Alex Gray; 16. Tom Youngs, 17. Kieran Brookes 18. Kearnan Myall 19. Sam Jones 20. Mickey Young 21. Ryan Mills 22. Anthony Watson

    Not completely in order (I, err, kinda forgot Tom Wood existed) and still omitting a couple of recent England involvees. 15, 6, and 1 are our strong positions.
     
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    4-8 of the "bit iffy 22" arguably as good as out test XV :lol:
     
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    Yup! Which ones in you opinion?
     
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    I'd probably take Launchbury over Botha (if it were a complete nothing imaginary test - Launchbury is inexperienced but shows the raw talent/potential. Botha has more (club) experience, but isn't that great really) - I'd take Haskell at 6 over Johnson and Seymour at 7 over Robshaw - Morgan vs Waldrom is a hard choice, but I'd pick Morgan everytime as he's actually English :p
    Would take Parling over Slater, but as a unit the iffys would take it for me.

    Hard to say with others in the squad - I'd take Ford over Farrell in a hypothetical match, but probably not in the real world at the moment. Would have Wood over Marler as well (well, I would at the time before Wood was injured, Marlers improved tenfold since then, so not sure where they stand head to head at the moment).
     
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    Oh, this looks fun. I don't think there are 66 players in Ireland!

    1st:

    15) Rob Kearney
    14) Tommy Bowe
    13) Brian O'Driscoll
    12) Fergus McFadden
    11) Luke Fitzgerald
    10) Johnny Sexton
    9) Eoin Reddan
    8) Jamie Heaslip
    7) Sean O'Brien
    6) Stephen Ferris
    5) Paul O'Connell
    4) Donnacha Ryan
    3) Mike Ross
    2) Rory Best
    1) Cian Healy

    16) Tom Court
    17) Sean Cronin
    17) Dan Tuohy
    19) Peter O'Mahony
    20) Conor Murray
    21) Ronan O'Gara
    22) Keith Earls

    2nd:

    15) Felix Jones
    14) Craig Gilroy
    13) Darren Cave
    12) Gordon D'arcy
    11) Andrew Trimble
    10) Ian Madigan
    9) Isaac Boss
    8) Roger Wilson
    7) Chris Henry
    6) Kevin McLaughlin
    5) Devin Toner
    4) Donncha O'Callaghan
    3) Jamie Hagan
    2) Mike Sherry
    1) Brett Wilkinson

    16) Declan Fitzpatrick
    17) Damien Varley
    17) Mike McCarthy
    19) Rhys Ruddock
    20) Paul Marshall
    21) Ian Keatley
    22) Simon Zebo

    Pathetic 3rds:

    15) Dave Kearney
    14) Fionn Carr
    13) Eoin O'Malley
    12) Paddy Wallace
    11) Tiernan O'Halloran
    10) JJ Hanrahan
    9) Peter Stringer
    8) James Coughlan
    7) Shane Jennings
    6) John Muldoon
    5) Bob Casey
    4) Damien Browne
    3) Tadgh Furlong
    2) Adrian Flavin
    1) Paddy McAllister

    16) Nigel Brady
    17) John Andress
    18) Iain Henderson
    19) Dominic Ryan
    20) Tomas O'Leary
    21) Paddy Jackson
    22) Nevin Spence

    Actually, that third team isn't as bad as I would have feared. Our 1st team is an awful lot better than our seconds though.

    EDIT: A few other things. I'm fond of our thirds for some reason. The back line is tiny, but I reckon they'd be great to watch. Nice combo of pace an good hands. I also love that second row combination. It's so abrasive. I've been happy with Furlong over the past few months, so I thought he deserves the nod over Loughney and Archer.
     
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    Shingler as blindside ahead of Turnbull, James Down takes Shingler's second row position.
    Gareth Delve over Andy Powell, Powell over Kieran Murphy. Gill over Yapp. I must say, we aren't looking too bad as far as back row and back three go. Every back row and outside back except Daniel Thomas has been capped (if we drop Murphy).
    Granted, that could say more of our possible lack of depth. Looseheads we are pretty good; Jenkins, James, and soon Bevington, Jones, Gill. Tighthead, well, nothing. Maybe we will see more of Joe Rees. The Caiser is English qualified, so Olyy can include him now.
     
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    Agree with Launchbury, would replace Johnson with Wood but not so sure about Hask, you know my thoughts about Robshaw and the 7 shirt, and Thomas the Tank Engine's a fair way off Morgan. Ford vs Farrell is an interesting one, and much as I like Wood, I'd totally gamble on Marler. But yeah, about covers it for me.

    Actually throw in our foreign based players, and we'd easily be able to do five. You'd wince at some parts of them, but hey, for fifth choice it'd be ok... particularly when you consider that would include both Armitages. Throw in players like Calum C**t Clark, Ryan Lamb, Geraghty, Tom Homer and his magic boot, James Gaskell, Tom Guest...

    ... holy ****, I never included Matthew Tait either. Easily good enough when fit.

    Import a few lads with grannies, isn't it what you normally do?

    Just to be super pedantic, Trimble and Gilroy would be swapped in an Ulster team.

    Anyway, after doing a fourth Irish one (which was super shocking in places), it occurred to me that Ryan Caldwell, Gavin Duffy and iHumph probably all deserve to be in that third team at least. And, uhm, you might be being mildly enthusiastic about some of those U20 players named who haven't played a single minute of senior competitive rugby to the best of my knowledge... although I might be saying that as there are Ulster players I'd put in their places :p
     
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    Ah, I knew I forgot someone in the second row. Caldwell in for Browne who drops to the bench then. As to the other 20's lads in the side, I'd take anyone over Loughney and Archer. Furlong looks capable of locking a scrum against a semi decent opposition, which is more than can be said of the other two. He may be inexperienced, but at least he isn't as incompetent as the other two. Hanrahan > Jackson :p
     
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    Come back to me when Hanrahan's run the show in a P12 match or looked at home in a HC SF :p

    Archer's crap, but Loughney's getting a rough deal from what I've seen. Furlong's got all the potential in the world, but Adam Macklin can point to having finished a job on Embra's front row amongst a few others. Don't think I'd take Henderson over Stevenson yet either, although I seem to recall you don't rate him for some reason. I'd probably drop Casey not Browne, on account of Casey basically being dead.

    And srsly, drop Fionn Carr, move Kearney to the wing, and put Duffy in the side.
     
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    Yeah, the Springboks arguably have better depth than any other team around right now... But Aussie's reserves are looking pretty weak at the moment...

    GO WALES!!! :p
     
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    19. Ben Mowen
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    18. Ben Hand
    19. Matt Hodgeson
    20. Ben Lucas
    21. Luke Morahan
    22. Nick Cummins

    1. Ben Daley
    2. James Hanson
    3. Kieran Longbottom
    4. Hugh Pyle
    5. Sam Wykes
    6. Rocky Elsom
    7. Liam Gill
    8. Radike Samo
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    Decent 1 and 2 side. But our 3rd compared to the depth of other countries is obviously not there due to no national comp for more exp. for these guys.
     
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    hahahaha nice work leaving Tom Carter out of the top 66 players. he really does suck
     
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    LMAO :D , I had him in the third 22 and thought to myself "NO, no, we aren't that bad I better go back over the Brumbies and Rebels squads".
     
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    I'm sure many nations can put out a few good teams but with NZ sitting 5 points clear in the IRB rankings (the next 5 are separated by 5 points - that's how big a gap it is) and having 4 very strong super rugby teams and the 5th being a sleeping giant (because of poor coaching and injuries not lack of player talent) I think the depth in NZ is close to the best it's ever been. Helped by the fact we now have a large number of very good first five's, halfbacks and openside flankers. In past years we had a great top 22 but if you built 2-3 more teams below it those key positions were weak. Now there is not much of a gap between those guys in the 1st 22 compared to the 3rd.

    10's
    Carter
    Cruden
    Barrett
    Slade
    Anscombe

    7's
    McCaw
    Cane
    Todd
    L Braid
    Latimer

    9's
    Smith
    Perenara
    Elis
    Leonard
    Barlow

    This depth is insane, in the past go beyond the top 2 in each position and it was a bit iffy but looking at this list all these guys have the potential to be very good test players, or they are already. And it's really off the back of all the jnr world titles that have been won over the last 5 years or so - that talent coming into super rugby.

    I recon NZ could build a 2nd and 3rd 22 man squads that had the potential to be top 5 in the rankings.
     
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    For Wales- (I'm just going to do XVs, I can't be bothered to add benches for each one. I'll just see how far I can go.)

    First XV:
    Gethin Jenkins, Ken Owens, Adam Jones, Alun Wyn Jones, Ian Evans, Danny Lydiate, Sam Warburton, Toby Faletau; Mike Phillips, Rhys Priestland, George North, Jamie Roberts, Jonathan Davies, Alex Cuthbert, Leigh Halfpenny

    Second XV:
    Paul James, Matthew Rees, Craig Mitchell, Luke Charteris, Bradley Davies, Aaron Shingler, Justin Tipuric, Ryan Jones; Lloyd Williams, James Hook, Aled Brew, Ashley Beck, Scott Williams, Morgan Stoddart, Liam Williams

    Third XV:
    Rhys Gill,
    Richard Hibbard, Rhodri Jones, Lou Reed, Dom Day, Josh Turnbull, Martyn Williams, Gareth Delve; Rhys Webb, Dan Biggar, Harry Robinson, Adam Warren, Adam Hughes, Will Harries, Lee Byrne

    Fourth XV:
    Ryan Bevington, Huw Bennett, Eifron Lewis-Roberts, Ian Gough, Damien Welch, Rob McCusker, Lewis Evans, Andy Powell; Dwayne Peel, Jason Tovey, Tom James, Ashley Smith, Daffydd Hewitt, Richard Fussell, Martyn Thomas

    Fifth XV:
    John Yapp, T Rhys Thomas, Aaron Jarvis/Joe Rees, Rob Sidoli, James Down, James King, Josh Navidi, Joe Bearman; Martin Roberts, Matthew Morgan, Tom Prydie, Lewis Robling, Tom Isaacs, Chris Czekaj, Steffan Jones

    We've actually got a few more scrum halves than that (Gareth Davies, Wayne Evans, even Tom Habberfield all look like decent options, too, but I looked to get at least five capped players into that fifth-choice team) but I really couldn't take it much further. Still, respectable, although we've got to hope we never have so many injuries that we have to field that last team.
     
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    Haha I find it quite amusing that all the other countries had to have their say but no one competes with NZ in terms of quality depth and I'm afraid that includes South Africa guys :p.
    We have enough quality that we're never really going to be that hard hit by injuries (but even then it's positional) and we'll always have a decent team, but just look at that NZ 2nd 22 it's sexy :p.

    edit: and admitting that doesn't make me unpatriotic, it makes me a realist :p.
     
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    Can't disagree with you there- I'm English but you look at NZ depth in the backline and it's just absolutely unreal.

    Fly-half: Carter, Cruden, Barrett, Anscombe- the best in the world and 3 great fly halves with combined probably another 25-30 years in them...
    Back three: Savea, Taylor, Dagg, Maitland, Ranger, Wulf, Gear, Toeava... Hell even Tomane was technically a Kiwi :lol:

    Any of these players would make the match day 22 for just about any other nation (and the starting XV for most...) NZ are just spoiled for talent.

    And hang on- how has no Englishman mentioned Steffon Armitage yet?? If I had my way he'd be starting for the bloody XV in SA <_<
     
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