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How to determine the infringing side in a scrum?
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<blockquote data-quote="kusta" data-source="post: 677623" data-attributes="member: 44266"><p>Think everyone will know that there's no perfect way to judging a scrum and even the referees dont get it right most of the time, only those front row players really know. I used to play prop and i think i know most of the tricks in scrumming albeit Club rugby and not professional but same thing really.</p><p></p><p>1) First and foremost what normally collapses a scrum is the prop not getting a full on bind (binding on the arm is not good enough and might collapse a scrum as well), once you lose that bind the scrum will collapse. So referees try find the culprit and is usually the one penalised, another thing which was argued quite a lot was that Props couldnt even put their hands on the floor to support the scrum from collapsing which is kind of a Catch 22 situation in which you couldnt get the bind yet when you try fix it by putting your hands on the floor you still get penalised.</p><p></p><p>2) Another one is on the engage when the momentum of two packs would be too great and frankly the one who cant take the heat usually is the culprit in collapsing and would be penalised but we dont see this happen much anymore with the new laws of "set" instead of "engage."</p><p></p><p>3) This last point is probably the most hard to judge and is really unfair to be honest, its that the first prop to go down is usually the culprit and he is doing it on purpose, but he's not. There are techniques to make the guy go down regardless how big he is. So with this point the first guy that goes down and looking at his body position when he is down(if he's flat down on his stomach) likely to get penalised. And head in the dirt bending over type of position is least to get penalised.</p><p></p><p>Thats it, hope that helps. Scrums are really not rocket science as people make them out to be.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="kusta, post: 677623, member: 44266"] Think everyone will know that there's no perfect way to judging a scrum and even the referees dont get it right most of the time, only those front row players really know. I used to play prop and i think i know most of the tricks in scrumming albeit Club rugby and not professional but same thing really. 1) First and foremost what normally collapses a scrum is the prop not getting a full on bind (binding on the arm is not good enough and might collapse a scrum as well), once you lose that bind the scrum will collapse. So referees try find the culprit and is usually the one penalised, another thing which was argued quite a lot was that Props couldnt even put their hands on the floor to support the scrum from collapsing which is kind of a Catch 22 situation in which you couldnt get the bind yet when you try fix it by putting your hands on the floor you still get penalised. 2) Another one is on the engage when the momentum of two packs would be too great and frankly the one who cant take the heat usually is the culprit in collapsing and would be penalised but we dont see this happen much anymore with the new laws of "set" instead of "engage." 3) This last point is probably the most hard to judge and is really unfair to be honest, its that the first prop to go down is usually the culprit and he is doing it on purpose, but he's not. There are techniques to make the guy go down regardless how big he is. So with this point the first guy that goes down and looking at his body position when he is down(if he's flat down on his stomach) likely to get penalised. And head in the dirt bending over type of position is least to get penalised. Thats it, hope that helps. Scrums are really not rocket science as people make them out to be. [/QUOTE]
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