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<blockquote data-quote="nickdnz" data-source="post: 514895" data-attributes="member: 38640"><p>For me I find this really interesting, the response from some people I think is really odd. People automatically took the suggestion to move NH rugby to the summer to make stupid digs at 'basketball rugby' like in the SH. For all the criticisms of defense that SH teams get, they always seem to concede less points than NH teams in internationals and it is justified by NH clubs are better than SH clubs (which because they never meet is always a convenient answer). I don't see why it would change as a game for all shapes and sizes, no reason has been offered why that would change. South African teams generally have good conditions through out the season, yet I think you'll find Gio Aplon is some what different in size from Coenie Oosthuizen.</p><p></p><p>Saying New Zealand v Wales U20 was an example of Wales having more skill is very laughable for several reasons. The first being that this U20 team was the worst we've had in years. The 2011, 2010, 2009 would have put 40+ point on Wales, even in those conditions. The other reason it's stupid is that it wasn't even our best team and we beat Wales by 30 points in the semi final. The other dumb reason is that it was a terrible pitch and you'd never get a professional pitch for a first class game in that condition. The difference in skill between New Zealand and any NH team is pretty massive and I'm not trying to beat our own horn, simply saying that there is something wrong with NH rugby which values physical conditioning over basic skill sets.</p><p></p><p>I personally think a move to summer would create a better specticle, distance itself from a football OR rugby culture which I think partly holds rugby in Europe back. That's about all I agree with from the original post. I'd quite like a global calender but's about as far as I'd go.</p><p></p><p>I like the leagues in the NH. I think the Heineken Cup is an ideal format and I like the different leagues involved (Rabo Pro 12 needs to be taken more seriously though, as it's a bit of a joke). It can't work in NZ as there isn't the oppertunities for privatisation, but I think it works (I'd cut down the number of club game though as I think it's just one other factor why NH teams perform poorly against the SH, which have higher intensity matches but fewer a year, which is better preperation for tests). I thin clubs seem to have a commercial culture which creates a fan base that designated franchises couldn't match, and many clubs already have a hundred years of history and extremely wealthy backers which would not support a franchise.</p><p></p><p>Would hate to see the 6 nations join the Rugby Championship. With 4 teams it should still be very competitive but with six you'd struggle and the travel would be murder.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="nickdnz, post: 514895, member: 38640"] For me I find this really interesting, the response from some people I think is really odd. People automatically took the suggestion to move NH rugby to the summer to make stupid digs at 'basketball rugby' like in the SH. For all the criticisms of defense that SH teams get, they always seem to concede less points than NH teams in internationals and it is justified by NH clubs are better than SH clubs (which because they never meet is always a convenient answer). I don't see why it would change as a game for all shapes and sizes, no reason has been offered why that would change. South African teams generally have good conditions through out the season, yet I think you'll find Gio Aplon is some what different in size from Coenie Oosthuizen. Saying New Zealand v Wales U20 was an example of Wales having more skill is very laughable for several reasons. The first being that this U20 team was the worst we've had in years. The 2011, 2010, 2009 would have put 40+ point on Wales, even in those conditions. The other reason it's stupid is that it wasn't even our best team and we beat Wales by 30 points in the semi final. The other dumb reason is that it was a terrible pitch and you'd never get a professional pitch for a first class game in that condition. The difference in skill between New Zealand and any NH team is pretty massive and I'm not trying to beat our own horn, simply saying that there is something wrong with NH rugby which values physical conditioning over basic skill sets. I personally think a move to summer would create a better specticle, distance itself from a football OR rugby culture which I think partly holds rugby in Europe back. That's about all I agree with from the original post. I'd quite like a global calender but's about as far as I'd go. I like the leagues in the NH. I think the Heineken Cup is an ideal format and I like the different leagues involved (Rabo Pro 12 needs to be taken more seriously though, as it's a bit of a joke). It can't work in NZ as there isn't the oppertunities for privatisation, but I think it works (I'd cut down the number of club game though as I think it's just one other factor why NH teams perform poorly against the SH, which have higher intensity matches but fewer a year, which is better preperation for tests). I thin clubs seem to have a commercial culture which creates a fan base that designated franchises couldn't match, and many clubs already have a hundred years of history and extremely wealthy backers which would not support a franchise. Would hate to see the 6 nations join the Rugby Championship. With 4 teams it should still be very competitive but with six you'd struggle and the travel would be murder. [/QUOTE]
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