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<blockquote data-quote="Mrs. Peter Quinn" data-source="post: 516086" data-attributes="member: 12190"><p>This thread was presumably started on the back of the june tests series which was admittedly a whitewash in favour of the SH but 7 out of the 9 tests were close. (sorry, Scotland aside) </p><p>If you take into account homeadvantage which is commonly seen as worth 7-10 points, we hardly embarassed ourselves.</p><p></p><p>However I'm not saying theres no difference in skills, just that I think its noticeable in the week in week out games of Super xv when you see just the average player with a v accomplished skillset, more so than in the international tours.</p><p></p><p>In general I think we in the north have been very slow to accept that forwards should be dynamic ball-carrying 'polymaths!' playing in a 15 man team. For me I equate the narrowing gap between north and south ( I think it is narrowing) to the rise of more dynamic 15 men teams rather than 7, and you now see props like Cian Healy and Alex Corbisiero who are worth their weight in gold around the field. But that process isn't complete, my team wasps still have useless guys like Tim Payne who are fat and rubbish. I just think it's taken the North too long to realise that forwards should be able to do more than just tackle and scrummage, and that having a beer belly as a professional athlete isn't acceptable anymore. </p><p>I know it goes broader than this, but I do think acceptance of the 15 man game is key.</p><p></p><p>There's no other real way to attribute the fact that northern props are grizzly scrummagers whereas southern props are both scrummagers and loose players, than to the fact that we place more importance on scrums in the north. Partly this has got to be down to the climate with pitches in the north leading to more attritional 'take the points when on offer' games. As a result we perhaps have not concentrated enough on all-round skillset that helps players thrive in open games on dry pitches.</p><p></p><p>Anyway, thats a pretty old agument, but I still think its valid enough.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mrs. Peter Quinn, post: 516086, member: 12190"] This thread was presumably started on the back of the june tests series which was admittedly a whitewash in favour of the SH but 7 out of the 9 tests were close. (sorry, Scotland aside) If you take into account homeadvantage which is commonly seen as worth 7-10 points, we hardly embarassed ourselves. However I'm not saying theres no difference in skills, just that I think its noticeable in the week in week out games of Super xv when you see just the average player with a v accomplished skillset, more so than in the international tours. In general I think we in the north have been very slow to accept that forwards should be dynamic ball-carrying 'polymaths!' playing in a 15 man team. For me I equate the narrowing gap between north and south ( I think it is narrowing) to the rise of more dynamic 15 men teams rather than 7, and you now see props like Cian Healy and Alex Corbisiero who are worth their weight in gold around the field. But that process isn't complete, my team wasps still have useless guys like Tim Payne who are fat and rubbish. I just think it's taken the North too long to realise that forwards should be able to do more than just tackle and scrummage, and that having a beer belly as a professional athlete isn't acceptable anymore. I know it goes broader than this, but I do think acceptance of the 15 man game is key. There's no other real way to attribute the fact that northern props are grizzly scrummagers whereas southern props are both scrummagers and loose players, than to the fact that we place more importance on scrums in the north. Partly this has got to be down to the climate with pitches in the north leading to more attritional 'take the points when on offer' games. As a result we perhaps have not concentrated enough on all-round skillset that helps players thrive in open games on dry pitches. Anyway, thats a pretty old agument, but I still think its valid enough. [/QUOTE]
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