Independent: RFU facing uphill battle against Japan for RWC 2015

Discussion in 'International Test Matches' started by Prestwick, Apr 11, 2009.

  1. Prestwick

    Prestwick Guest

    http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/rugby/r...up-1666729.html

    A very interesting article which shows the gulf in commitment between the RFU (who swing between openly mocking the iRB's £75 million up front for hosting a World Cup to begging Prime Minister Gordon Brown for support) and the JRFU.

    The JRFU seem to have learnt their lesson from being ROBBED of the right to host the 2011 competition. They are openly lobbying every major iRB member with a vote (and heavily I might add, maybe this is where O'Neill keeps getting his Japanese franchise talk from) and has fully secured the support of the Japanese government with financial backing (as I had predicted) as well as Japanese Prime Minister Tsaro Aso sitting on the organising comittee himself alongside former PM Yoshiro Mori (who is probably Japan's answer to Dubya and Boris Johnson).
     
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  3. Bullitt

    Bullitt Guest

    As it should be. Nice as it may be to have a world cup on my doorstep, it's about time the old blazers take a backseat and let the sport develop in the minnow nations. If they're so worried about the top 10 rankings, then they'll just have to embrace the bigger game and improve standards rather then the ring-fence tactics of old.
     
  4. I've mixed feelings about Japan hosting the 2015 World Cup. On the one hand, it would be great for the game to expand beyond the traditional nations and would be a bold step forward by the iRB. On the other hand, would Japan be capable of producing a competitive team in just 6 years? I've my doubts about that.

    My preference would be for Italy to host the 2015 World Cup since they're further along in their development with Japan having 10 years to prepare for the 2019 World Cup.
     
  5. monkeypigeon

    monkeypigeon Guest

    Sure, but there's already plenty of growing interest in Eurpope, whereas Asia is the area with the greatest preospect for a large scale BOOOOOOOM in rugby interest.

    And by the by, Japan has the 4th largest player base with 125,000.
     
  6. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Monkeypigeon @ Apr 11 2009, 08:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
    I believe that Magners League participation will improve the standard of Italian rugby more than the NRL invasion which is taking place in the Japanese Top League. With rugby already established in Italy, hosting a World Cup could push the sport on even further.

    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Monkeypigeon @ Apr 11 2009, 08:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
    That looks impressive but another way of looking at it is there are 127,000,000 people in Japan. 125,000 / 127,000,000 = 0.000984251969 or less than 1% of the population. That's hardly massive interest in the sport. Give their league 10 years to develop in the knowledge that a World Cup is on the way and Japan could field a competitive team. My worry about them hosting the 2015 competition is that if they are badly out of their depth, it will affect long term growth of the sport.
     
  7. danny

    danny Guest

    Japan were robbed of the 2011 world cup which was scandalously awarded to New Zealand despite the fact that they havent got the infrastructure to host a circus. The time has come for large-scale development to be embraced by the wretched IRB. If we miss out its for the good of our game in general. Japan for me!
     
  8. Prestwick

    Prestwick Guest

    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (snoopy snoopy dog dog @ Apr 11 2009, 08:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
    I believe that Magners League participation will improve the standard of Italian rugby more than the NRL invasion which is taking place in the Japanese Top League. With rugby already established in Italy, hosting a World Cup could push the sport on even further.

    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Monkeypigeon @ Apr 11 2009, 08:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
    That looks impressive but another way of looking at it is there are 127,000,000 people in Japan. 125,000 / 127,000,000 = 0.000984251969 or less than 1% of the population. That's hardly massive interest in the sport. Give their league 10 years to develop in the knowledge that a World Cup is on the way and Japan could field a competitive team. My worry about them hosting the 2015 competition is that if they are badly out of their depth, it will affect long term growth of the sport.
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    But you can say that about England's playing population is about 650,000 out of a population between 65,000,000 and 70,000,000 which is still very tiny.

    Furthermore, you have to see how those 125,000 players are spread out. They usually play for corporate teams which are an integral part of Japanese companies and thus Japanese society.

    This is a chicken and egg question. Do you use the World Cup to galvanise popular interest in the game and thus help create a competetive team or do you try to develop the team and create popular interest in the game and then hold a world cup?

    If you go for the latter then there is no gaurantee that will ever happen. Its just another excuse to keep the World Cup within the club of ten existing nations in my view as Japan can easily host a decent Rugby World Cup. South Africa are utterly hopeless at football and yet are hosting the football World Cup next year. True, the public interest issue doesn't apply but the ability of the national team to compete should not be an issue.

    You want public interest? The frickin' Prime Minister is on the organising committee. Football wasn't very popular in Japan (and still isn't really when compared to Baseball and athletics) before the World Cup was held there in 2002 but it helped boost support for it. The Rugby World Cup can do the same, especially if its backed by the major Japanese corps like Matsushita, Toyota, Suntory and so on. You tell the people that theres a major Sports event taking place in Japan and they will come, partly out of curiosity more than anything which is what happened with the football world cup.

    At the end of the day, the iRB should have a responsibility to promote the game as far and wide as possible and the RWC should be used, much like how the Rugby Sevens series is at the moment, as a hammer to bash home the point that Rugby Union is a bloody awesome game. I have no qualms about the likes of Russia and the United States outbidding the existing top ten Unions to host a World CUp because by taking the game out of its ten union comfort zone we will be taking it to new places and promoting it as such.

    Bring on Japan 2015 I say!
     
  9. Nickdnz

    Nickdnz Guest

    On one note I am a New Zealander and I am bias, however I know the Rugby is New Zealands favourite sport and overall I would say we as a country support Rugby more fully then any other country in the world, as football is the majour sport in Europe and cricket is Australlia's main priority (not to say that they do not have a very large fan base). Rugby in Japan is not popular considering the size of their population, and while I agree they clearly have potential to grow in support, I don't think it rewards the countries who have been loyal to Rugby. The fact that Japan has alot of wealth and it wont have an effect on it's echonomy is no reason to give them the largest tornement in rugby. I think if Rugby become more popular in Japan by 2015 then by all means allow them to host the RWC, however if only 5-10% of the population are even awear of Japan hosting it, and even a smaller percentage watch it then it really is a waste.

    On a more positive note I always hope Rugby becomes more international and I can see how Japan hosting the RWC would gain more global support.
     
  10. Prestwick

    Prestwick Guest

    But on the basis that we should just keep the RWC within the existing club of top ten nations, how can we expect rugby to become more popular outside of its established areas.

    The only way I can see Rugby becoming more popular is if you take top quality compeition to the masses in their territory.

    Simply saying, "awfully sorry chaps but your national team just isn't up to it" is incredibly patronising. If FIFA said that to South Africa there'd be an uproar across the world.
     
  11. Nickdnz

    Nickdnz Guest

    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Prestwick @ Apr 12 2009, 08:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
    I see you point and I agree but considering many top ten countries havn't even hosted a RWC does not seem fair to them. My view is it is like New Zealand hosting the Soccer World Cup. The effort New Zealand host put into Soccer does not seem deserving to host a WC (that and we couldn't afford it). I think that to an extend of SA. I don't believe a WC of any sport should be decided on how large you wallet is. As I said, if rugby grew prior to the WC and it became a large sporting event for the Japanese then by all means let them host it, but I can not see it being appreciated to the same extent as countries who have already put alot of effort in Rugby.

    That being said I think Japan could do a fine job in hosting the 2015 World Cup and I believe they have the finance to make it a really great event. I also agree that it could potentially increase Rugby as a popular sport, I just would like to see Japan put the effort into rugby earlier then the WC so it would not be just about money. I hope to see Japan host the WC in 2015.
     
  12. Prestwick

    Prestwick Guest

    Yeah sorry, I should have said that nobody here was being patronising but that the Unions would sound patronising.

    I understand where you're coming from..
     
  13. Bullitt

    Bullitt Guest

    Re: the points about Japan neither being competitive nor rugby being a big sport there - As I recall Japan aren't much cop at football, nor is it a particularly big sport there, yet the 2002 World cup was a resounding success. On the flip side, Germany have a pedigree in roundyball yet the 2006 WC was a damp squib to say the least.

    Make of that what you will...
     
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