IRB to consider eight point tries and interchange at international think tank

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    http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,8659,26955371-23217,00.html

    Eight-point tries and the introduction of a rugby league-style interchange will be discussed next month when the International Rugby Board holds a global think tank.
    The May 13-14 conference, which will bring together 80 of the best thinkers in rugby, is the first of its kind since the Working Assembly of October 2007, best remembered for what it failed to achieve - a global season and a worldwide trial of the experimental law variations.

    However, since then, there have been a number of significant developments, that have driven home to the IRB the truth of Australian Rugby Union chief John O'Neill's warning this year: "We're in the mass entertainment business."

    Australia, which will be represented at the assembly by O'Neill, ARU chairman Peter McGrath, high-performance manager David Nucifora and community rugby specialist Ian Alker, is expected to prioritise making the game attractive and ensuring it gets full value from inbound Tests.

    Indications are that from 2012, the custom of two northern hemisphere sides touring Australia to play no more than two Tests will give way to a back-to-the-future format in which one nation - in that year Wales - will play a three-Test series.

    And because the Super 15 will be in recess for the three-week Test window in June, there will be an opportunity for Australia's provincial sides to play midweek matches against the tourists

    Although there is no set agenda for the meeting, the issue of how rugby can best leverage the introduction of the sevens form of the game to the Olympic program from 2016 is certain to be discussed. But so, too, is the increasingly precarious financial position of teams around the world.

    The Queensland Reds are effectively in the hands of an administrator, while estimates suggest English professional clubs are operating at a collective debt of $42 million.

    That issue will most likely trigger a discussion of whether players’ salaries can be capped or reined in.

    At present the disparity between pay in Britain/Europe/Japan and Australia/New Zealand is resulting in a massive player drain to the northern hemisphere.

    Once, only those at the golden handshake stages of their careers were prepared to make the move, now much younger players - such as Toulon-bound All Black prop Carl Hayman - are putting money ahead of even World Cup selection.

    Another part of the game which may be up for discussion is the value of tries, with the UK press speculating the value of tries may be increased after next year’s World Cup in New Zealand. However past experience has demonstrated that raising the number of points on offer for a try has the unintended effect of increasing penalties.

    Similarly, there is a cause-and-effect issue to be evaluated before rugby moves to a league-style interchange. Rugby promotes itself as a game for all shapes and sizes but if bigger players are able to take periodic breathers on the sideline, it may lessen the impact of smaller, nimbler players.

    And while the suggestion to ban shots at penalty goal taken from within the kicker's own half undoubtedly would reduce annoying time-wasting, it would also rob the game of the "wow factor" provided by a Francois Steyn 65m monster.
     
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    8 points not sure put's a lot of emphasis on attack. whats the interchage about is it rolling subs?
     
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    The interchange is bing trialled in Ireland and Scotland (I think) at present. It allows a limited number of rolling substitutions of around 15 per game rather than the US sports system of changing as many players as you want all through the game.

    I'm not sure 8 points for a try is the way to go but perhaps tweaking the scoring system so that going for tries is more common is a good idea. Of course the converse is that if a try is worth so much, defences will cheat and settle for giving away 3 point penalties instead. It's a tough balance to get right.
     
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    Also, instead adapting so that a try is worth 8 points, why not change something else - are conversions really necessary? Awarding 7 points for a try and removing conversions altogether would speed up the sport (since a kicker wouldn't take a minute taking a shot for 2 points) and would also ensure that every try would be worth more than two successful penalties. The current system where two long range penalties can defeat one unconverted tries is an anomaly.
     
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    You could say the concept of two overs cancelling out a goal in International Rules is an anomaly when actually it takes more effort to get those two overs than it did to score the goal.

    Thus, if you are able to score two long range 60m penalties in the driving rain and swirling wind with a hostile 80,000 strong crowd whistling at you in the Stade de France to win a game then I believe you've earnt the right to win the game.

    EDIT: And earnt the right to win in style.
     
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    Oh good... Nex we'll have 4 point DGs.


    Then 9 point trys.



    Then 5 point penalties.



    Then 25 points for a win, 12 for 2nd, 6 for 3rd...


    *sigh*
     
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    How about 10 points per try, and 150 for catching the snitch?
    Seriously, the points system isn't a problem. Don't change it.
     
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    Quit messing with the sport is what I say! If they were to change points, devalue the penalty goal by 1 point, don't raise the try. That way it'd take 3 penalties to outdo 1 try. I dunno...still it seems pointless. The best thing they can do is manage the rules at the breakdown and at the scrum. All that takes is an agreement between management and coaches that it's better for the sport to play and ref correctly.
     
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    Bring back Rucking, problem solved.
     
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    Nail on head.
     
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    this shows us that the irb has learned nothing from the 6nations. the tournement highlighted the problems with scrums, the breakdown and kicking for no reason. so what do the irb do they look at changing the point system and introducing different subs role. the really know how to put thinks right.
     
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    What a silly idea, as said before there are far greater problems than how many points we should have for a try. Scrums and the breakdown is what really needs sorting, everything else is fine.
     
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    Man, if they bring snitches into rugby I swear to God I'll be seriously ******* ******
     
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    FFS, are they gonna trial this in next years S14? like they did with every rule change :O
     
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    Is the points system broken? Does it require fixing?
     
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    yeah ive got to say, these changes dont look good. imo i would be more worried about the rolling subs than the point system, however i wouldnt want either. like o'roth said, fix the breakdown and the scrum, then get some agreement of morallity with the coaches/fowards coach and teach reffs how to control the scrum and ruck area and its done.

    If they change the points structure they need to completely overhaul it. prestwrick - you might say that kicking two 45m+ kicks in swirling wind and rain is worth more than a try to win the game, but isnt a team who retains posession and picks and drives 30-40m to score a try out wide then to get the kick better to watch. and before people go nato, i mean simmilar to how the blues beat the bulls. fast pick and drives beating the advantage line every time, not the stop, start, lose ground, gain ground trench warfare that people think of.

    As for rolling subs, the game isnt designed for it. its a maxi sport, unlike league which is mico. If rolling subs are introduced, it will morph into league. scrums will dissolve to allow fitter props who can hit up the line, as apposed to one of the treasures of the game, the scrum. it measures the testicular fortitude of the fowards, especially the big ones to last the 80. we see that it works now. take the players out when they get tired and inject an impact player to break the line, dominate the scrum, or whip around tyring tight 5's. remember watching lauaki when he came onto the scene. magic stuff. or last year (or the one before) when the big moa at scrumhalf for the blues got subed for smylie to cut around the fringes.

    its not broken!
     
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    Complete bullshit as usual. And **** O'Neill and his mass entertainment industry ****.
     
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    Is this 8 Points in total, or 8 points plus a conversion?
     
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    a 10 point try would of made wales come back in this years 6 nations something normal.i think it would be fun to catch the snitch
     
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    Interesting

    I think this news will bring big bug in rugby world :)))
     
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