Ireland v England, 10/02/13

[TRF_Olyy]

Aviva Stadium, Ireland
15:00, 10/02/13
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[Jockstap]

Its about time somebody made this thread, anyway I'll get us started. The English are *****.

 

[Peat]

That episode of Family Guy where Peter goes to Ireland and the plane lands in a sea of bottles? All of its true.

Also, good news Irishers! Trimble and Cave are at Ireland squad training.

 

[Big Ewis]

Its about time somebody made this thread, anyway I'll get us started. The English are *****.

:lol:


Very very interesting matchup. Interesting to see how Ireland cope with England's forwards, interesting to see how England deals with the Irish backs. Interesting to see how much the Irish scrum's improved and how it will do this time after last year's English domination.

Interesting to see how England play away. Haven't seen that since the June tests in SA...

Tuilagi's back isn't he ?

 

[Teh Mite]

Ireland by a million.

Winner buys the beer.

 

[Jockstap]

I honestly think Ireland will win by 10+ so long as we can keep Mike Ross fit. Yes they won against the mighty All Blacks(who had depleted strength and power levels after novo swept through their ranks, but I agree England looked very good on the day) but I now they're coming to my house *****es. I can't remember an England team this hyped up coming to Ireland since, well, the last time they were in Dublin actually. How did that match go again?

Also, fun fact, the Irish pack was 3 kilos heavier than their English counterparts(yes I weighed them, yes I am that sad) so the idea of them coming to bully our pack is a bit misguided.

 

[GarethEWilliams]

:lol:


Very very interesting matchup. Interesting to see how Ireland cope with England's forwards, interesting to see how England deals with the Irish backs. Interesting to see how much the Irish scrum's improved and how it will do this time after last year's English domination.

Interesting to see how England play away. Haven't seen that since the June tests in SA...

Tuilagi's back isn't he ?

Can't say I am that interested at all. I think I will have a nap and maybe go for a walk! (Joking I hope to see some big hits and a cracking game). But still not interested!

 

[j'nuh]

Marler, Youngs, Cole, Launchbury, Parling, Haskell, Robshaw, Wood

- No changes really needed in the pack other than Haskell-for-Morgan given injury.
- Marler gets another go to try and bring domestic form to the international scene, but I wish Corbisiero was available really.
- Youngs/Hartley is a difficult one, but the balance between the two is good - both very different hookers.
- In the front row, I like the idea of playing Marler, Youngs and Cole as one unit (good in the loose for the first 60 min) and Vunipola(/Wood), Hartley and Wilson as a scrummaging unit to come on later in the game.

Youngs, Farrell, Strettle, Twelvetrees, Tuilagi, Ashton, Brown

- Brown is not a winger. Positioning on and understanding of the wing is poor and was directly responsible for the Maitland try. I do think he's a good player, and everything he's done good so far, he could have done from fullback.
- Would prefer Monye to Strettle, but Strettle is the only winger left.
- Tuilagi cannot be left out, eager to see a partnership with Twelvetrees, who has to stay on-field given last week.
- No other changes needed. The only marginal one is Youngs/Care, but Youngs did well last week and I'm hoping he's coming into a good vein of form.

Bench: Hartley, Vunipola, Wilson, Lawes, Waldrom, Care, Flood, Goode

- I've gone for Waldrom because he's the closest to Morgan we have. Against Ireland, I would like a specialist 8 involved in case we struggle to get over the gain line. That said, I wouldn't be opposed to Vunipola, Kvesic or Fraser really.
- Most are obvious and only went for Goode because fullback needs cover.
- I can see a case for dropping Flood for Barritt and banking on Farrell lasting the 80, with Twelvetrees as "emergency cover".

 

[Saintjay]

England will be hoping they can shove Irish heads up bottoms again. The Irish will want to prove they can return the favour. Should be a close game despite wanting England to win. The point to prove and home advantage edges it for me and an Irish win.

Maybe adding Hartley back into the pack might help as per last years team. I can't recall who else was playing then other than Corbs or how the packs compare now.

 

[ratsapprentice]

Also, fun fact, the Irish pack was 3 kilos heavier than their English counterparts(yes I weighed them, yes I am that sad) so the idea of them coming to bully our pack is a bit misguided.

Have you seen the weight difference between England and Scotland packs? Wouldn't rely on that as an indicator of the result...

 

[lynam1104]

Can't believe that this game is so early on I'm not used to this sort of tension til mid-march. Anyway much like the Wales game I think this is in the to hard to call section. England look on great form I have to say, Farrel is playing well for them they'll have Tuillagi back it's one going to be one of the strongest England sides for awhile. Ireland should keep the team as near as possible to last week IMO, i questioned a few calls namly POM, Murray and Zebo but they really impressed me on saturday so keep them in.

IMO the key battle in this game

Ross/Healy V Marler/Cole

As always the front row is vital, it's where one team begins to dominate the other and the momentum swings one way or the other first. I'm sure Healy and Ross will be spurred on by events last year. One interesting element here is the breakdown work done by Cole V Healy, both are considered some of the better props in the lose and have the ability to hold a scrum well we'll see how big a part that plays.

Back rows

Should England allow Ireland to slow down ball for them it could become tough to utilize their excellent backline so if england want to win they need to stop this. Equally if Ireland manage quick ball they could be devastating with the pace of Zebo and Gilroy.

Sexton V Farrell

Two who will most likely be playing for the Lions 10 shirt, both had great games last week kicked their points and distributed well. I feel (providing conditions) teams need to keep the ball in hand should be interesting to see this match up directly and Farrell precede weakness in passing where as that is Sextons strength, should Farrell do weel in this aspect he's staking a real claim on Lions honors.

BOD V Tuilangi

Contrasting center styles Tuilangi's pace and power have proved to much for Earls in the last few encounters, BOD shall be able to deal with this much better. I feel this is a really key match up as these players could really unlock defense albeit in different ways they both do the job and do it well.


Who ever wins the majority of these match ups should find it hard to lose IMO.

 

[Saintjay]

I honestly think Ireland will win by 10+ so long as we can keep Mike Ross fit. Yes they won against the mighty All Blacks(who had depleted strength and power levels after novo swept through their ranks, but I agree England looked very good on the day) but I now they're coming to my house *****es. I can't remember an England team this hyped up coming to Ireland since, well, the last time they were in Dublin actually. How did that match go again?

Also, fun fact, the Irish pack was 3 kilos heavier than their English counterparts(yes I weighed them, yes I am that sad) so the idea of them coming to bully our pack is a bit misguided.

The last time England played in Ireland. The *****es beat the house 20 -9

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Think this'll decide the tournament.
Hopefully Youngs doesn't poo himself over it being at the Aviva, as him and Flood like to do.

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[Jockstap]

Think this'll decide the tournament.
Hopefully Youngs doesn't poo himself over it being at the Aviva, as him and Flood like to do.

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As we're constantly told, this is a different team. It's time for the next generation to poo themselves at Lansdowne. Ireland better ****ing win this, I live with 4 English rugby fans, last year was not fun.

 

[Maverick1987]

As we're constantly told, this is a different team. It's time for the next generation to poo themselves at Lansdowne. Ireland better ****ing win this, I live with 4 English rugby fans, last year was not fun.

I honestly think Ireland will win by 10+ so long as we can keep Mike Ross fit. Yes they won against the mighty All Blacks(who had depleted strength and power levels after novo swept through their ranks, but I agree England looked very good on the day) but I now they're coming to my house *****es. I can't remember an England team this hyped up coming to Ireland since, well, the last time they were in Dublin actually. How did that match go again?

Also, fun fact, the Irish pack was 3 kilos heavier than their English counterparts(yes I weighed them, yes I am that sad) so the idea of them coming to bully our pack is a bit misguided.

*slaps head* the only thing misguided is your opinion on rugby as a whole my friend . Don't get me wrong I think Ireland will win this one because of home advantage can't see there been much in it though . As far as the NZ result is concerned we were able to beat them because we were better on the day not because of any virus or whatever other crappy excuses you want to come up with mccaw didnt make excuses he just said they were second best like they make most other teams look almost all the time . Personally I think you are more of a football fan than a rugby fan by the way you talk as most rugby fans are realistic and honest just a question you aren't related to jonathon Davies are you ? haha

 

[Mrs. Peter Quinn]

Some thoughts of my own:

Firstly, England won't be having much edge in the scrum this time round. I fully expect Ross to have the upper hand on Marler, whilst Cole and Healy is all to play for. Englands scrum will be stronger if Hartley starts over Youngs. I wonder, but it must be tempting for Lancaster to put Hartley in for that purpose alone, as it really ended the game last time.

Haskell is exactly the kind of player we need against Ireland. He has the physicality and was able to do a job on the South Africans. He was back to his storming best last week and I hope for more of the same. If we can stop the Irish pack going forward as quickly as they did in the first half, we can stop tries such as the first one.

Forget O'Driscoll's lovely pass to Zebo for the try: Sextons pass is perfect and SHOWS O'Dirscoll precisely what line to run. If that pass isn't perfect, BOD, stands no chance on getting on the outside of the defender, and its no try. Sexton makes the whole system run like clockwork, he's the ond we need to get to.

I'm completely torn about the centres. Twelvetrees and Tulagi are clearly the future, but the question is whether for this one game we should stick with the best defense we can, which is Barritt and Tuilagi. However, the England camp have been quite open about saying they plan to attack, so I imagine Tuilagi will come in. I feel he needs to be in really, because we need to keep O'Driscoll preoccupied as much as possible. Usually defences gravitate to Tuilagi, but Twelvetrees is a danger himself and if that creates room for him, all the better.

I'm very worried about Ben Youngs' temperament. If Youngs can get off to a good start with some early running, I think he'll be fine, but Care's a more level-headed player for a crisis.

Changes to the backs are essential, and I'd do the following: Strettle out of the 23, and Foden in. Goode back to the bench, Foden to the wing, and Brown to full-back.

 

[Jockstap]

*slaps head* the only thing misguided is your opinion on rugby as a whole my friend . Don't get me wrong I think Ireland will win this one because of home advantage can't see there been much in it though . As far as the NZ result is concerned we were able to beat them because we were better on the day not because of any virus or whatever other crappy excuses you want to come up with mccaw didnt make excuses he just said they were second best like they make most other teams look almost all the time . Personally I think you are more of a football fan than a rugby fan by the way you talk as most rugby fans are realistic and honest just a question you aren't related to jonathon Davies are you ? haha

McCaw isn't a medical student BOOM, who are ya, who are ya, who are ya...

 

[Maverick1987]

As we're constantly told, this is a different team. It's time for the next generation to poo themselves at Lansdowne. Ireland better ****ing win this, I live with 4 English rugby fans, last year was not fun.

Some thoughts of my own:

Firstly, England won't be having much edge in the scrum this time round. I fully expect Ross to have the upper hand on Marler, whilst Cole and Healy is all to play for. Englands scrum will be stronger if Hartley starts over Youngs. I wonder, but it must be tempting for Lancaster to put Hartley in for that purpose alone, as it really ended the game last time.

Haskell is exactly the kind of player we need against Ireland. He has the physicality and was able to do a job on the South Africans. He was back to his storming best last week and I hope for more of the same. If we can stop the Irish pack going forward as quickly as they did in the first half, we can stop tries such as the first one.

Forget O'Driscoll's lovely pass to Zebo for the try: Sextons pass is perfect and SHOWS O'Dirscoll precisely what line to run. If that pass isn't perfect, BOD, stands no chance on getting on the outside of the defender, and its no try. Sexton makes the whole system run like clockwork, he's the ond we need to get to.

I'm completely torn about the centres. Twelvetrees and Tulagi are clearly the future, but the question is whether for this one game we should stick with the best defense we can, which is Barritt and Tuilagi. However, the England camp have been quite open about saying they plan to attack, so I imagine Tuilagi will come in. I feel he needs to be in really, because we need to keep O'Driscoll preoccupied as much as possible. Usually defences gravitate to Tuilagi, but Twelvetrees is a danger himself and if that creates room for him, all the better.

I'm very worried about Ben Youngs' temperament. If Youngs can get off to a good start with some early running, I think he'll be fine, but Care's a more level-headed player for a crisis.

Changes to the backs are essential, and I'd do the following: Strettle out of the 23, and Foden in. Goode back to the bench, Foden to the wing, and Brown to full-back.

I know it's paper talk but in the daily mail today it says Lancaster is going to start 36 and manu although I highly expect barritt to start . Can't say I'm too fussed either way really he's shown his worth in the last 2 games and would probably feel hard done by being dropped

 

[Mrs. Peter Quinn]

I know it's paper talk but in the daily mail today it says Lancaster is going to start 36 and manu although I highly expect barritt to start . Can't say I'm too fussed either way really he's shown his worth in the last 2 games and would probably feel hard done by being dropped

I thought you said paper?

 

[Maverick1987]

McCaw isn't a medical student BOOM, who are ya, who are ya, who are ya...

True but mccaw does know I he's ******** through the eye of a needle . Unless the doctor goes into the toilet with him in which case is a bit strange :/